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    If you have read the book of Revelation, and not understood something, you have read wisely (thoughts?)

    It appears you don't even know what/who the Church on earth is! Saying the Church has not received the Spirit proves you don't know what you're talking about! The babes in Christ in Corinth, Paul still referred to as brethren. Paul wasn't admonishing them because they did not have the Spirit...
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    If you have read the book of Revelation, and not understood something, you have read wisely (thoughts?)

    Paul struggles against the flesh just as ALL who are still burdened with mortal flesh do. There is a spiritual battle being waged between the fleshly spirit of man, and the Spirit of God within the believers. Why do you think Paul instructs us to daily ready ourselves for battle by putting on...
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    When will the "sudden destruction" from which "they will not escape" referenced in 1 Thess 5:2-3 occur and what is the scope of it?

    Christ, speaking to His disciples, (who are the Church as are all believers) that THEY would experience "great tribulation" as they take His Gospel unto all the earth. You confuse the wrath of God that shall come after the seventh trumpet sounds and the great tribulation for the Church...
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    Time no longer.

    Perhaps Preterist, but I think perhaps he goes beyond that and should instead or also be called a full blown Gnostic! He truly believes he has received hidden truths from Scripture that only those of this so-called higher knowledge are able to discern.
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    If you have read the book of Revelation, and not understood something, you have read wisely (thoughts?)

    Spiritually discerned simply means the Spirit given to whosoever is born again, born of the Spirit teaches guides and teaches us the things of God. The carnal unbelieving mind cannot understand the things of God because they have not the Spirit of God within them to instruct them. John...
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    When will the "sudden destruction" from which "they will not escape" referenced in 1 Thess 5:2-3 occur and what is the scope of it?

    I believe the last trump sounding marks the end of time given the church (Messianic Gospel age) on earth to build the spiritual Kingdom of God as the church is commissioned to proclaim the Gospel unto all the nations of the world. When the spiritual Kingdom of God is complete, in the days of...
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    If you have read the book of Revelation, and not understood something, you have read wisely (thoughts?)

    When penning his epistle to the saints of Christ at Rome, Paul was a fully converted, mature believer, indwelt with the life giving Spirit from Christ. Still he confesses the daily struggle against the war taking place in his mind between doing what is good and that which is evil. Even though...
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    If you have read the book of Revelation, and not understood something, you have read wisely (thoughts?)

    That's not what Paul tells us. Paul says the Words of God must be spiritually discerned, by those who possess His Spirit in them. Paul does not say the Word of God is written in spiritual language that Gnostics, like yourself, believe can only be discerned by those with this so-called higher...
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    When will the "sudden destruction" from which "they will not escape" referenced in 1 Thess 5:2-3 occur and what is the scope of it?

    Yes, however the Day of His gathering you call the rapture, Christ says is the "last day". John 6:39 (KJV) And this is the Father's will which hath sent me, that of all which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last day. John 6:40 (KJV) And this is the...
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    When will the "sudden destruction" from which "they will not escape" referenced in 1 Thess 5:2-3 occur and what is the scope of it?

    It's not demanding our own way when asking for Biblical proof for what you allege is truth. If you see that as causing division perhaps it's because you cannot support what you allege from the Word of God?
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    When will the "sudden destruction" from which "they will not escape" referenced in 1 Thess 5:2-3 occur and what is the scope of it?

    What then does Paul mean when twice he says "day of the Lord Jesus Christ" & "day of the Lord Jesus"? 1 Corinthians 1:8 (KJV) Who shall also confirm you unto the end, that ye may be blameless in the day of our Lord Jesus Christ. 1 Corinthians 5:5 (KJV) To deliver such an one unto Satan...
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    If you have read the book of Revelation, and not understood something, you have read wisely (thoughts?)

    So for you nothing of Scripture is physical, but rather all is mystical and spiritual? Prove through the Bible what you allege or I am left to believe you are nothing but another in a long line of Gnostics, thinking your higher mystical, spiritual, and intellectual powers for understanding lies...
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    The folly of Preterism

    I saw that! Probably just a matter of great minds thinking alike LOL. Just kidding folks!
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    The folly of Preterism

    Aint' that the truth! Geez, it's like trying to communicate with folks that do not comprehend the English language.
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    The folly of Preterism

    This is more word salad of non-answer! This reply is as clear as mud! Why do you never address rebuttals clearly instead of going off into this esoteric non-answerable babble. Your explanations for that which is spiritual is so far out there you truly remind me of someone under the influence...
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    If you have read the book of Revelation, and not understood something, you have read wisely (thoughts?)

    We don't receive the new heaven and new earth before the first heaven and earth have passed away. Revelation 21:1-5 (KJV) And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea. And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem...
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    The folly of Preterism

    How could Christ's disciples have seen Him going up toward heaven if He was not of flesh? I know how you insist "see" in this verse below from Matthew is not with physical sight, but rather with the mind or understanding. The problem for you is that you cannot explain how the first century...
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    The folly of Preterism

    Be sure you understand what is being promoted here. The indwelling of the Holy Spirit in men/women of faith is indeed proof Christ came in the flesh (born a man), and kept His promise to send His Spirit after He departed from this earth. That is NOT proof that Jesus has returned in the flesh...
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    The folly of Preterism

    Since Christ has already come in the flesh, we look for Him to return also in flesh, since that is what the Scripture tells us. Since Scripture is clear that Christ shall return in the flesh, it is folly to argue that He already returned or that He returns again and again and again!
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    The folly of Preterism

    If we have not His Spirit in us, we are none of His! What's your point?