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Agreed. It is "A" rapture. The Church is removed BEFORE THE 1ST SEAL is opened. The Church is already in heaven before the 1st seal is opened. After the fullness of the Gentiles comes in, God will turn His attention to His Chosen and regraft them into the olive tree. BTW, The fig tree has...

As to the 144,000 they never enter the trumpets which is the wrath of God. They are the first fruits of the harvest at the 6th seal which mean they are already in heaven BEFORE the coming of Jesus at the 6th seal. Rev 14 3 And they sung as it were a new song before the throne, and before the...

Ok. I'm going to have to agree with you. I believe that you are correct in your answer. Well done. It indicates that the rapture of the Church has happened, the fulness of the Gentiles has come in, and God is turning His attention to His Chosen. They are of course, not the Church. I don't think...

Yes you are correct. There will be a pre-tribulation rapture, but that does not change the answer to the question.

Sure.

These are just empty words with no scriptural support. I also noticed that you were unable to produce any scripture to support a made up conclusion that the sealing of the 144,000 was any different than the sealing that every believer receives. As for the Church going through the great...

Well, since we can prove that the 144,000 DO NOT go through the great tribulation, I would like to see you post chapter and verse of your incorrect conclusion.

It's all good brother. It's just that you have made so many things up because you don't accept the written Word. As in, the 144,000 are 12000 from each tribe, JUST AS THE WORD SAYS. We don't need to make anything up. If you would just believe the written Word of God and quit making things up...

2 Corinthians 1:22 Who hath also sealed us, and given the earnest of the Spirit in our hearts. Ephesians 1:13 In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise...

I know that you think that the 144,000 are sealed to go through the great tribulation, but that is not the case. Due to the fact that you do not understand that when the kingdoms of this world become the kingdoms of our Lord, the WRATH OF GOD IS OVER. Armageddon has happened and Jesus has set up...

This is what you think, which has absolutely nothing to do with what the Word says. Yeah, mostly is telling....telling the truth. The 144,000 is also telling. They are the first fruits of the second harvest which occurs at the 6th seal.......just like the Word says. Blindness and ignorance to...

You make a good point. However, if you understood, you would realize that the Church is raptured pretrib and the 12 tribes are raptured prewrath. Just as the word says. The fig tree has two harvests.

The mostly Gentile Church will be raptured BEFORE the seals are opened. The pre 70th week rapture is the truth as the Lord promises we can escape ALL THE THINGS that occur in the 70th week of Daniel, starting with the beginning of sorrows. The great multitude contains both the Church(raptured...

Matthew 24, Mark 13 parallel the 7 seals which are the 70th week of Daniel and are not yet open. After the coming of Jesus at the 6th seal as marked by the cosmic signs of the sun, moon and stars, the wrath of God begins which is the trumpets and a different view of Gods wrath in the vials.

The 144,000 do not have a purpose to repopulate Israel. God tells EXACTLY what their purpose is. We don't need to dream things up. They are the first fruits of the second harvest. First fruits are presented to God and when accepted there will be a harvest to follow. If the firstfruits are of the...

Mmmmm. They were sealed when they believed. Just are we are sealed when we believe.

You have done a good job of hammering things into place that don't fit. First off, NONE OF THE SEALS ARE OPEN. The seals are the 70th week of Daniel. The seals will not be open until the fulness of the Gentiles comes in. The 70th week of Daniel is about the people of Daniel. Secondly, you don't...

Jesus sets up His kingdom on earth at the 7th trumpet when The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord. The wrath of God is over at the 7th trumpet. Then the judgement. Rev 11 18 And the nations were angry, and thy wrath is come, and the time of the dead, that they should be...

The gathering before the wrath of God is the gathering from heaven and earth. Mark 13 27 And then shall he send his angels, and shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from the uttermost part of the earth to the uttermost part of heaven. The kingdom that will come is when the Lord...

No. The 144,000 are in heaven sometime in the 1st four seals. They are the first fruits of the harvest that occurs at the 6th seal. If the harvest occurs at the 6th seal, you should know that the 1st fruits are presented before the throne before that. Since the 5th seal is the great tribulation...