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    Another Premillennial absurdity

    This is true David, the living and the dead IN CHRIST shall receive our immortal & incorruptible bodies of flesh when Christ comes again! This is not depicting the "first resurrection"! The first resurrection, as you agree is the resurrection of Christ that man must have part in while alive in...
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    Another Premillennial absurdity

    No David, saints will not receive our immortal and incorruptible physical body until the bodily resurrection and change when the last trump sounds that time shall be no longer. Paul shows us that when the physical body of believers die our spirit leaves, and as spiritual body we go to heaven...
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    Another Premillennial absurdity

    Once TIME, likened a thousand years shall be no longer there will not be another ONE thousand literal years of time given this earth. You should be able to understand this since you agree the first resurrection is the resurrection of Christ we must have part in to overcome the second death. We...
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    Another Premillennial absurdity

    The first resurrection through Christ, according to Scripture comes the moment we believe! That is when our spirit that was "dead in trespass and sins" is made alive by the resurrection life of Christ. When we receive His Spirit through new birth from above the spirit in man returns to God who...
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    Another Premillennial absurdity

    How can we be part of the first resurrection through Christ physically since our body will not be resurrected immortal and incorruptible until the last day? John sees living souls in heaven as Paul says a spiritual body. Yes, our physical bodies are destined to die, that's why the first...
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    Another Premillennial absurdity

    Showing various translations is NOT calling God a liar. It is showing we need to do further investigation to find which translation has rightly interpreted the verse. That's why I gave you verses proving when believers physically die they are still present with the Lord in heaven. This is not...
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    Another Premillennial absurdity

    David, wpm is proving exactly the opposite! When we are alive in Christ, having been born again, born from above, spiritual re-birth from spiritual death to spiritually alive in Him, we are of the "first resurrection" because we have part in the resurrection of Christ, Who is the first to be...
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    Another Premillennial absurdity

    The first resurrection is not at the return of Christ. The resurrection at the return of Christ is physical, when the last trump sounds and the saints are resurrected to immortal and incorruptible bodies of flesh, and at the same hour that is coming the bodies of ALL who are in the graves...
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    Another Premillennial absurdity

    The rest of the dead, those who have also lived and died in TIME will not be resurrected to life until the last trumpet sounds in the same hour that is coming when all in the graves will be physically resurrected to everlasting life, or condemnation. This is a depiction of the one and only...
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    Another Premillennial absurdity

    When we live in time with Christ, the life we have through Him is eternal, which means we never die. The following translations have correctly shown this truth, because none of them show the physically dead coming/returning to life again. John sees only the living souls of faithful saints in...
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    Another Premillennial absurdity

    Nope, don't believe that for a second!
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    Another Premillennial absurdity

    David, how do you know it is not your doctrine that hits the bullseye on some things, as well as being off where the doctrine of wpm and myself is hitting the bullseye?
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    Another Premillennial absurdity

    Faster than a speeding bullet! ;)
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    Another Premillennial absurdity

    Saying we are off will not cut it unless you can prove what you allege David. Why not respond to my reply #1,847 regarding Rev 20?
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    Another Premillennial absurdity

    The nation of Israel possessed the Kingdom before the advent of Christ. They were the ones hearing the word of the Kingdom without understanding, keeping them in bondage to darkness and death, the devil had the ability to take away the Word sown in their hearts. Since only the remnant from the...
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    Bank Loans and Penal Substitution

    According to Scripture, Christ is the propitiation for ALL sin! 1 John 2:2 (KJV) And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world. While it is abundantly true that Christ gave His life to pay the penalty for ALL sin, it is also...
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    Another Premillennial absurdity

    Exactly! Christ is showing what WAS as compared to what is NOW, or since He has come. Christ Himself is the sower of the good seed, producing children of the Kingdom NOW throughout the whole world. With the good seed of Christ, the devil sows his tares among them, but since Christ, our...
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    Another Premillennial absurdity

    Revelation chapter 20 is a picture of two types of people living in an age of TIME that John likens a thousand years. John defines those who have lived and reigned with Christ in this age of TIME, who having been martyred for their faith, John sees as living souls in heaven. Next John writes...
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    Another Premillennial absurdity

    Building upon what wpm has already given you, it might be somewhat helpful to fully understand what Satan's power to deceive means for all who are without Christ. To be in spiritual darkness means to continue to be under the condemnation of death, that all of humanity came under after the fall...
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    The thief on the cross misconceptions

    Yes, I agree! Especially in Catholicism, those who rush to baptize infants fearing they might die and be condemned to eternal damnation without being sprinkled with holy water. That's why it's important for Christians to correct this error. We don't correct error by teaching that water...