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What is normal is you derailing the thread to make it all about you.

The devil is both underestimated and overestimated. He is underestimated from a POV of thinking that things which are held to be absolutely true are not actually manipulations from the devil. And then there are the self-appointed watchdogs and witch-hunters that look for any kind of variation...

Reasonable discussion involves lucid and biblical arguments that don't ignore vast tracts of biblical verses. So I don't see much here besides the emotional reaction of someone who believes what they want to.

The term "sovereign grace" if you read the OP is a term used by Calvinists...aka irresistible grace. (the I in TULIP.) I'm making a case against this exaggeration and unbalanced doctrine. Grace is the power from God to obey the standards of God...the law of God. His power is made perfect in...

I can't get you to see how the natural mind is different from the mind of Christ. So your kind of reasoning seems legit...and it would be if God was human and was looking just to save humans the way they are. But that's not God's way. We are being tested according to the truth. So if we love...

I think that we are influenced by Western artists like Dante. It was once a practice to try to frighten people to go to church and the like. Eternal punishment is not being burned forever. It is eternal separation from God. God is not a sadist. People who claim to be saved...but without any...

I read a bad interpretation of certain verses. It never says that a person will suffer forever. The Hebrew says people will look on their "corpses". Corpses are dead bodies. Corpses do not suffer eternally. The second death is NOT the second torment. I'm not even going to waste my time with...

More emotional content. You are doing the wrong comparison. Making temporal things to be eternal. But that's what an emotional rationality will do. You are very much ignoring the truth in order to satisfy an emotional requirement from your temporal ego. But since at least to this point you...

The soul is not immortal. Why do you think an eternal fire means an eternal soul? Where do you get that? If the soul is already immortal then no one needs to be saved. How can we pass from death to life if we never die? Think about his and study some more.

The human soul is a desperate thing. Many many modern believers are so in love with the nice sounding verses that they believe that God loves their ego as much as they do. But God loves a different part of us. The weak inner man. NOT the ego driven outer carnal man. So as people claim grace...

You are just being religious and following your indoctrination here. We know that the fire is eternal and that torment is reserved for the devil and the beast. Hello? :) But you are ignoring all the other verses that show that the lake of fire destroys the wicked. So open your mind up and...

He who seeks to save his life will lose it. You need to lose your life to find it. There are many false ministers who will lie through their teeth to fill in the pews. And these provide a false sense of assurance. They are assurance salesmen. Grace gives us the potential to walk as Jesus...

Without holiness none shall see the Lord. And I could cite you..and I have...over and over ...all the warnings...but you ignore these. Many are like you...who read what they want to read and believe what they want based on an emotional human logic that is set on self-preservation. A humble man...

Are you proposing an unlimited grace? Where do you get that from the bible? We can fall from grace and fail grace according to the bible. We can bury our talent and offend God and the spirit of grace. So you are the one who needs to back up a preposterous claim. Salvation is ALWAYS...

Yes. There are 2 ways to succeed and 2 ways to fail. One is to fail in the world and the other is to fail God. There are 2 resurrections with 2 judgments. They who are believers are in the household of God. But judgment begins at the house of God. So then Christians will be judged along with...

There is an eternal conscious punishment (albeit not physical torment) in the bible. Outer darkness...being a castaway...banished from the face of God. And this is an eternal destiny. Not like heaven and hell...which are places but not destinies. So there is so much confusion in modern...

Our God is a consuming fire. He brings purity and destroys what is offensive to holiness and spiritual life by consuming what is nonredeemable with fire. As such God is improving the world...albeit at the expense of they who will not repent or are too offensive or hostile to the truth. So when...

Actually it is they who are cast into outer darkness that are barred from entering the city. Even in the next age (eternal) the naked and shamed are not permitted access to God or His people. There are walls and gates to the holy city. They who are cast into the lake of fire perish there. That...

Rev. 20:14 "Then Death and Hades were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death." If death and hell are cast are cast into the lake of fire do these suffer torment forever? Or does anything temporal (including us) perish in the fire? When has death ever meant eternal torment. It is...

The second death (annihilation) is one possibility as an outcome or destiny of men. We are mortals...not immortals.