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  1. Marty fox

    Paul taught that revelation 20:4 is a present reality

    So the Father sitting on the throne with a great multitude of people standing in front of Him and then the books being opened isn't the great white throne judgement but the second coming?
  2. Marty fox

    Paul taught that revelation 20:4 is a present reality

    Why are you not addressing my post? You just avoided it
  3. Marty fox

    Paul taught that revelation 20:4 is a present reality

    Revelation 20:7-15 7 When the thousand years are over, Satan will be released from his prison 8 and will go out to deceive the nations in the four corners of the earth—Gog and Magog—and to gather them for battle. In number they are like the sand on the seashore.9 They marched across the breadth...
  4. Marty fox

    Paul taught that revelation 20:4 is a present reality

    Then Your opinion is wrong because I believe Daniel 7 has nothing to do with a 70AD fulfilment. I just said that I believe it’s the judgement day after the second coming. Let’s look at these again and see when they happen Revelation 20:11-15 11 Then I saw a great white throne and him who was...
  5. Marty fox

    Paul taught that revelation 20:4 is a present reality

    Yes in all of those verses except Daniel which I believe is right after the second coming at the judgement day as described below Daniel 7:9-10 9 “As I looked, “thrones were set in place, and the Ancient of Days took his seat. His clothing was as white as snow; the hair of his head...
  6. Marty fox

    Paul taught that revelation 20:4 is a present reality

    I love how people keep telling me what I think on this site. It doesn't destroy my claim about Antiochus I see it as the judgement day which is just after the second coming. Its a vision into the far future showing that all who oppose God will be judged
  7. Marty fox

    Paul taught that revelation 20:4 is a present reality

    So once again are you rejecting that Antiochus Epehanies desecrated the temple alter?
  8. Marty fox

    Paul taught that revelation 20:4 is a present reality

    If they are the same then how come Daniel 7 shows that the fourth beast is cast into the fire but the other three beast are allowed to still live for a while and then as you say this same beast of revelation (which has these there beast within it) is cast into the lake of fire? If they are the...
  9. Marty fox

    Paul taught that revelation 20:4 is a present reality

    Well I don’t see the second coming in that text but it is the judgement day. Daniel 7 has two views of the future (to the time of the text) the vision of the ancient of days and the vision of the son of man man coming on the clouds too heaven. These two visions are to give hope to the people...
  10. Marty fox

    Paul taught that revelation 20:4 is a present reality

    So are you rejecting that Antiochus Epehanies didn’t desecrate the temple alter?
  11. Marty fox

    Paul taught that revelation 20:4 is a present reality

    The Pharisees and many others including the deciples had Jesus wrong because they thought that Jesus would bring in a physical kingdom and kick out the Romans and rule His kingdom from Jerusalem. This is a mistake that I believe many Christians still have wrong today as Jesus said to pilot that...
  12. Marty fox

    Paul taught that revelation 20:4 is a present reality

    Yes and you have posted this to me many times before and I disagreed with you every time. We don’t have the same views of this but that being said doesn’t prove anything. Weather I state something or you state something doesn’t make it a fact just different views we could both be wrong
  13. Marty fox

    Paul taught that revelation 20:4 is a present reality

    Okay and what does John say the antichrist spirit is and what does John say that the purpose of the antichrist is? Now what does John say that the sea beast of revelation is and what does John say the sea beast purpose is? John shows that they are different beings with different purposes...
  14. Marty fox

    Paul taught that revelation 20:4 is a present reality

    You keep making claims about me which are not true you assume things and accuse me of them this is a very bad way to debate. We should debate in grace and love shouldn’t we? No one told me to read the book of Maccabees I read it myself. It is recorded history
  15. Marty fox

    Paul taught that revelation 20:4 is a present reality

    Are you rejecting that Antiochus Epehanies didn’t desecrate the temple alter? The coming on the clouds in the Olivit discourse I believe to be coming in judgement. Jesus predicted the destruction of the temple with a date attached to it and history shows that it happened when Jesus said it...
  16. Marty fox

    Paul taught that revelation 20:4 is a present reality

    A demonic being influencing Rome and it’s leaders mainly Nero A demo being influencing mainly apostate Israel A devotion to Nero Cesar being devoted to him (mark on the head) and don’t his will (mark on the right hand)
  17. Marty fox

    Paul taught that revelation 20:4 is a present reality

    That’s not what I said I said that I learned it from a Christian Jew