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This is what caused the translation discussion that I had with PinSeeker. Which translation to trust? You trust the KJV on this, but I don't. So be it. Hebrews 9: (NKJV) 18 Therefore not even the first covenant was dedicated without blood. 19 For when Moses had spoken every precept to all the...

Says the guy who places the order of the 5th, 6th and 7th trumpets in the order of 7, 5, 6 (and the order of the three woes as 3, 1, 2)! LOL! No, YOU can't be serious. We're talking about the most highly symbolic book in all of scripture and you think I can't be serious by interpreting the time...

That's nice, but how do you interpret it exactly? Do you think it is already fulfilled or already has started to be fulfilled? Do you agree that it portrays all people being gathered before Jesus at the same time rather than over the course of time? Of course not. The fates of all the people...

Didn't the sacrifices and burnt offerings relate to the old covenant? I'm sure they did, so I'm not sure why you would deny that. But, to you, the first and second refers to the first (old) and second (new) covenants in Hebrews 8:6-7, but to the supposedly separate first (old) and second (new)...

Yes, that's what I've been saying. Well, I wouldn't put this in the same category as claiming there are two gospels. That's a much more serious error than this because it suggests that there is more than one way to be saved, which there clearly is not and never has been. The English...

Yes, just like everyone else except you. You are so prideful that you think you are the only one in the world who understands the chronology of the three woes correctly out of all the Christians who have ever lived. Douggg, do you forget everything I ever tell you? I'm pretty sure you do. I...

You obviously don't accept Jesus's understanding of that prophecy!!!!! I showed you that He quoted Zechariah 12:10 in a first coming context and not a second coming context and you just ignore that completely!!!!! Your carnal, hyperliteral approach to scripture prevents you from seeing what it...

Did you change the topic on me? What are you talking about? How does this relate to what we've been talking about? Right. And your point is? Of course, but that is not actually carried out until Jesus returns in the future with His angels. None of them have been cast into the lake of fire yet...

Look at the verse which follows that one. Romans 11:27 “and this will be my covenant with them when I take away their sins.” It's important to understand that what Paul wrote in Romans 11:26-27 is not a new prophecy given by Paul, but rather an Old Testament prophecy that he referenced from...

Agree. So, that passage refers to the first (old) covenant and the second (new) covenant. That's why I also quoted Hebrews 10:9-10 because it indicates that the second (new) covenant was established "through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all.". Do you not understand the...

I claim that you don't understand what those verses are all about. I would never claim that God won't do what He says He will do. Just because I disagree with you about what God said He will do doesn't mean I deny that God will do what He says He will do. Understand? He will do what he says He...

It can't be assigned a number because it's none of the three woes. Hello? It's just a separate woe from the three woes that relate to the last 3 trumpets. There's no need to assign a number to it. Irrelevant question not worth answering. It's as relevant of a question as asking how many times...

Douggggggg. Look at you. Are you for real? You're right that it's not complicated, but you make it complicated by having the third woe start at the same time as the first woe. LOL. Ridiculous! You have some of the most ludicrous interpretations of scripture that I've ever seen in my life. No...

LOL. Douggg, are you a comedian for a living? You should be. Your question relates to the three woes, does it not? I said it's none of those, so that answers your question.

Why do you not actually address my arguments? Matthew 25:31-46 very clearly has all people being gathered AT THE SAME TIME before Jesus's throne. It's clearly not talking about something that happens over the course of time since Pentecost. In the future Jesus will come with His angels and...

Quoting a passage with no commentary as if I'm supposed to read your mind as to how exactly you interpret it? Really? That's not how things are supposed to work here. That passage doesn't support what you were previously saying and does not address my question. Jesus quoted Zechariah 12:10 in a...

You mean Revelation 12:12. That verse is not related to any of the three woes. Hello? When you interpret scripture in such a way that you think any verses containing similar phrases must be directly related, it leads to all kinds of confusion and contradictions. How can you not understand that...

Are you being serious here? Please tell me you're not. Revelation 8:13 nd I beheld, and heard an angel flying through the midst of heaven, saying with a loud voice, Woe, woe, woe, to the inhabiters of the earth by reason of the other voices of the trumpet of the three angels, which are yet to...

You need to just leave the forum for awhile and spend time studying scripture and then come back to us. Because at this point you are just embarrassing yourself repeatedly with your nonsense. Revelation 11:14 The second woe is past; and, behold, the third woe cometh quickly. The fact that you...

Where? Please copy and paste what you said that supposedly addresses what I said about the words "covenant" and "testament" being used interchangeably as synonyms in verses like Hebrews 7:22, Hebrews 8:6 and Hebrews 9:15-18. What a shocker that you can't just give a straightforward answer to a...