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I’ll have to respond after I get back from church and thanks for not trying to divert this thread but I think it’s been hijacked a few times now LOL FYI I’m English too I left Coventry at age 7 and immigrated to Canada

John’s early penning of revelation would support my view fully For example the beast destroys Babylon the great for Gods purpose and Rome destroyed Jerusalem for Gods purpose

The Jews took part in the mark when they said that they have no king but Cesar and they did the beast will by handing their messiah over to Rome to crucify.

This is what I believe Daniel spoke of a future to his time AOD and Antiochus fulfilled it Jesus prophesied of a future to his time AOD and the Romans fulfilled it Revelation is the revelation of Jesus as in who He is and what He did. He is God and He ushered in the new covenant. Revelation...

No what I said was did Jesus Jesus save us physically or spiritually with His spiritual death? He saved us spiritually as will will never spiritually die but our bodies will physically die

The Jews living during the time of the Maccabees suffering the wrath of Antiochus Epehanies who read Daniels prophecies would disagree with you. Jesus referred back to Daniel showing that what happened in the past would also happen in the future but this time there would be no Judas the hammer...

Your scriptures are proving my point that all who have the mark will perish. John 3:16 for example says that anyone who believes in Jesus will be saved. It doesn’t say anyone who believes in Jesus will be saved unless they have the mark. Thus a literal mark can’t be or else scripture would...

Yes I think that we have been over this before and I have a book full of scholars showing that revelation was written before 70AD and have watched debates on it. But it doesn’t really matter because none of our references are biblical authority and even early church fathers have made mistakes...

This could go into so many different events or symbols of revelation which isn’t the purpose or the topic of this thread because it would never end but the mark on the forehead is symbolic of a constant unrepentant devotion to the beast and the mark on the hand is symbolic for doing the beast...

I said that we die physically

When a huge city like Jerusalem in the first century which was a huge inpact religiously and economically on other cities it greatly effects them just like our fragile world today. The point is that it was just Babylon the great that was judged in this chapter.

I believe that it was the final end of the Old Testament temple and sacrificial age that was dealt with

Yes He has already made us kings and priest

Well I don’t see revelation 19 as a literal battle but that’s a different debate but let’s see the differences in revs 16 and revs 19 battles Rev 16:16-21 16 Then they gathered the kings together to the place that in Hebrew is called Armageddon. 17 The seventh angel poured out his bowl into...

No we still die

Did Jesus save us physically with His physical death or spiritually?

Where do you get Armageddon in Revelation 20 the battle at Armageddon in Revelation 16 was the destruction of Babylon the great by the beast

Perhaps he died before the flood came

Okay is seams that nobody actually understands my view so I will lay it out for you in point forum The thousand year reigning is symbolic of the church age. The new heaven and the new earth is in the future Read post numbers 43 & 56 to see that the reigning and the binding ends at different...

I have a say that This thread hasn’t been torpedoed