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If we use your athlete/team analogy, what the jersey is put on(athlete) comes First! Therefore, as the scripture says: "we are saved by faith thru the hearing of the Word" AFTER that, the water baptism occurs.

NEVER, not even once, is there a declaration of "two raptures" found in scripture.

@Timtofly says: "The Second Coming happens pre-Jacob's trouble." That is NOT found in scripture.

Here are the two questions you need to ask yourself: JESUS says His Coming and our gathering is "immediately after the tribulation of those days" Question #1 - Since JESUS says Post-Trib, why are we saying 'pre-trib' ? JESUS says we are to believe every word that proceeds from the Mouth of God...

Because of this: "And another sign appeared in heaven: behold, a great, fiery red dragon having seven heads and ten horns, and seven diadems on his heads. His tail drew a third of the stars of heaven and threw them to the earth.

OK i SEE where you are stuck You are on the same plane as the Israelites when they were bitten by snakes and God told Moses to make a brazen serpent on a pole. Anyone who looked at the brazen serpent was healed. BUT THEN But then the Israelites began worshipping the brazen serpent and so it...

Not one mention by the LORD Jesus for us to venerate Mary as the catholic religion teaches(falsehood). Not one mention by the Apostles for us to venerate Mary as the catholic religion teaches(falsehood). We are only to follow the teachings of JESUS and the Apostles.

BINGO

Luke 1:28 you who are highly favored ! κεχαριτωμένη (kecharitōmenē) Verb - Perfect Participle Middle or Passive - Vocative Feminine Singular Strong's Greek 5487: To favor, bestow freely on. From charis; to grace, i.e. Indue with special honor. Mary was never "full of grace" = ONLY JESUS NEVER...

Love you my Brother - i am signing out - Good Night

John 1:17 - "For the law was given through Moses, but grace and truth came through Jesus Christ."

FYI - i BELIEVE in the scriptural importance of water baptism i KNOW that it cannot save anyone i water baptize in the Name above all names - the LORD Jesus Christ What we are doing here on this thread is bringing forth from scripture the Eternal Life that can only be found in the precious...

There is not even one instance where we are directed to pray to anyone other then the Lord Jesus Christ and His FATHER.

ONLY Jesus is "full of Grace" - "And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us, and we beheld His glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father, full of Grace and Truth." 'And of His fullness we have all received, and grace for grace." John chapter 1 No one else can bestow Grace unto...

Luke 1:26-28 Now in the sixth month the angel Gabriel was sent by God to a city of Galilee named Nazareth, to a virgin betrothed to a man whose name was Joseph, of the house of David. The virgin’s name was Mary. And having come in, the angel said to her, “Rejoice, highly favored one, the Lord...

#1 - The Lord Jesus says "when you pray, do not use vain repetitions, as the heathen do: for they think that they shall be heard for their much speaking." - Matthew 6:7 #2 - The Holy Spirit says: "Nor is there salvation in any other, for there is no other name under heaven given among men by...

Same dead repititious Hail Marys that i used to pray.

Surely, by the Spirit, you can add melody to those lyrics of mine Did i say "mine"? Oh no, not me It is the Spirit that is Divine His Joy that filled the soul of mine Oh no, not mine JESUS paid the price for this flawed design of mine Now i belong to Him He who died on that Tree Nay, not my...

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I know all about catholicism and i watched my mother die praying to the false hope of Mary, Queen of Heaven. You MUST read and BELIEVE the Gospel to escape eternal damnation = Mary cannot save you.