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Absolutely agree. Godly oversight is crucial for order and good direction. A good leader eschews religious posturing, titles, salaries, and really anything worldly or carnal in nature. People who have been abused by the system have a great difficulty with leadership issues thinking that everyone...

..agreement with God's heart. I think a lot of people are "gun shy" about leadership because of carnal men usurping power. But there is a big difference between order and control. In the institutions we see control. The people are seen as patients or clients. But in the organic ekklesia we see...

Why not? Sure. It all comes down to this...how are you living with what you accept as true? Are you growing in love and wisdom and knowledge? Do you have an eternal purpose? If you are then that is a good thing and perhaps God has you there for that time. The problem is with a religious...

What you are seeing is the regular hypocrisy related to stumbling over the truth. I expect it. How many people have really walked in the light? But how many people are humble enough to recognize a helping hand? Seeing this as bullying? The opposite is true. Stumbling over Christ means you are...

Jesus Christ brings in a new level of intimacy with God by bringing in a direct connectivity to God..through Him. But many will not be able to understand this. A good example is with the pregnancy of Mary, the mother of Jesus. Now Joseph was a good and righteous man. But he was faced with a...

Let me get this straight...are you questioning my intelligence? ;)

May I suggest the "ignore feature" to attenuate the religious and judgmental types from getting in the way of deeper truth. now Jesus was hated by the religious people of His day...because He sought to add a new layer or depth to the law. People were very upset about that. Even His own...

For they who still think it's healthy to think on this forum...and only they. Notice how I presented BOTH sides of the equation that is offered up as truth in the bible. I am not throwing one or the other out..although that is how it is perceived by some here. And just the fact that I bring up...

You can lead people to knowledge...but you can't make them think. And since thinking is out of the equation....all that is left is a lack of experience with God and to replace that...a dogmatic certainty based on a one-sided ideology that props up a feeling of a good outcome for they who blindly...

It has been said that we are not to try reading Jesus through Paul, but rather Paul through Jesus. And I think that is wise. But how many realize just how influenced people are by Luther? Luther sought to break down the truth and be rid of the unknown variables that constitute the...

Good post. Yes...paradox. But it takes some honesty to see that...and quite a bit of seeking to find out why that is necessary. :)

Agreed. And that's the whole point of receiving all truth...it leads us right to Jesus Christ....in truth. (you shall know the truth) But Jesus Christ is as much a stumbling block for people as He is the cornerstone and foundation of life. In Christ mercy and truth have kissed. And...

You are using verses as a shield to hide a propaganda. And that is because you fear the unknown.

The brain is divided between what is known...and what is accepted by faith. Or we could say...between order and chaos....or the known and the unknown. Learning means what was previously unknown is now known...thus making an inter-brain connection. The unknown God. people take God by...

Of you only knew how long I have been trying to explain this....people ARE double minded...the brain has two almost disconnected hemispheres. A Christian needs to learn how they connect...not how to know an aspect of the truth in one side of the brain. So since I started this thread...I ask...

All of this still doesn't answer the very basic seeming contradictions....since it is trying to back up only one side of a truth...while leaving the other as being false. The human brain works that way...but that is the carnal mind, not the mind of Christ. So then the mind needs to be joined...

That's right. But very few can put the both/ands together in any kind of logical way.

I find your judgment interesting. What if I'm actually always speaking from exactly the same place but you are missing pieces from the puzzle? it's like the elephant in the dark room. If I describe something you have experienced...then you will agree. But if I describe MORE than you have...

How do you know you are indoctrinated? When you have to add the word "self" into the following text from Jesus... Luke 5:32 I came not to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance. Jesus compares the righteous to they who are healthy and don't need a doctor. (Jesus being that doctor) How...

That is the conclusion of someone who doesn't yet understand how to think like the bible is written. So you accuse foolishly....the bible itself. Doers of the law are justified....very basic. But your backward reasoning would have justified people then doing. But that is an evangelical...