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Hey B....a lot here and it's really late and I want to take time to read it. Tomorrow. 'night.

Thanks Johann! He said many wise things.

I don't know GP....you really want to discuss this? Someone MERITS a promotion. They worked. Maybe harder than others. But did anyone ask them to or are they just good workers? They MERITED the promotion. Did they EARN it? Yes....if it was known that if they worked hard they WOULD be...

I didn't read the rest,,,but I agree with the above totally....of course! This is exactly how I explain total depravity. Man's inability to seek God. Except for all the verses I post about how we are to seek God. I don't know any Christian that believes this... the common atheist person...

I studied church history. Pelagius and Augustine were a part of it. Here's what I learned: THE MORE YOU LEARN THE LESS YOU KNOW. Bono U2 The more I learn...the more I know how much there is to know... the dumber I feel. And with that:

Funny. YOU PEOPLE....I hear the accent! It separates.

I don't see rapture in the bible. I see Jesus coming back one time only...at the end. But I also am not interested in Eschatology at all. Some are interested only in this and stay on those forums... guess someone has to do it. Now,,,,YOU.... what do you mean that you believe man has free will...

Come on E....you're an overseer! It must say. Source: _________________ It has to be visible. It means I could click on it... go to the source and read it for myself. This is the whole point! Now, really, could you post something that states that Pelagius believed man had no free will? Thanks.

Just a side note.... I'm speaking to a member over there. He uses the terms YOU PEOPLE FREE WILLERS This is terrible. We had decided not to allow it but I know it's easy to miss. We shouldn't be dividing ourselves as Christians,,,but only as pertains to doctrine.

Maybe some day I'll find out what an Arminian is. I thought it was someone from Arminia. LOL I just don't feel I could absorb much more information to be totally honest. How about orthodox Christianity? orthodox...small o. What the mainline teaches. What the traditionals teach. Why can't it...

That's interesting and I have come across persons that claim not to be reformed but believe the 5 points.... which, pretty much, IMO, encompass the important teachings of John Calvin, for instance (and others). I find this rather amazing. I also think that it's difficult to reason with someone...

Free will is not an error. It's all over the bible. Please explain Philemon 1:14 if you think free will does not exist. OK Did you write all of the post above? If not, you need to post the source. Here's what I know: Pelagius taught that man could live sin-free on his own strength and that...

What do you mean that Jesus didn't teach Paul's doctrine? Jesus came first! Paul taught Jesus' doctrine. Paul didn't start the new church...Jesus did. Paul confirmed everything Jesus taught. Could you think of something that was not confirmed? I mean something that Paul taught that Jesus did...

YOU brought up the verse that helped me RN.... And YOU still have not shown any support in the bible for the absence of free will. Whereas I have shown you verses that show man has free will. Oh for goodness sake. Jesus was speaking to His disciples. How desperate are reformed persons that they...

What? I can resist the will of God and still be saved? You say these verses have nothing to do with salvation? RN....The I in tulip stands for IRRISESTIBLE GRACE. This means that God's grace CANNOT be resisted. This means that you MUST accept the Holy Ghost and salvation. Again,,,if you're...

Let's get serious here RN. IF you think the concept is spelled out in the bible, you're going to have to show us where/how. Total Depravity means that a person is so depraved as to be UNABLE TO SEEK GOD and this is why God has to save whoever He wants to save. If you're going to be reformed...

WHERE does it say unsaved men can't seek God? What do you mean IN THE ABOVE VERSE??? YOU posted the verses.

If you MERITED something... it was given to you FREELY. I'm not missing your point. But OK.

You're the first person that I've read that understands prayer this way....which is how I understand it. Most persons think of stopping everything, going someplace quiet and praying "formally". This is what they mean by prayer. To me it just means talking to God...just as you've explained.

OK. This is true. But I think that @St. SteVen's thread would be addressed to pretty mature Christians that SHOULD know Christian doctrine. I have to agree. We should not be learning about our faith from YouTube either. If we don't know how to "weed out" incorrect information, I think total...