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The central theme around which this revolves is the Gospel, its proclamation and the opposition it faces as is the majority of the rest of Revelation. Keep in mind the books opening words; 'the revelation of Jesus Christ '

it's all metaphor.....the whole lot. The language is drawing on events/ practices in the OT

as you wish!

eternal death Jack, means you are dead forever. Hell is eternal death. It does not mean living in agony forever

Oh Jack....I'm trying to communicate with you meaningfully yet you deflect and misrepresent all my efforts.

Context determines any meaning of anything. To not understand that, one can believe pigs fly.

You must be literal wheat then?......if I grind you will you turn to flour? oooops, wait, you must be a literal branch as well? ......and how do you understand fishers of men when it's literal? Wisdom dictates how you see/hear or how you don't see/hear.

Literal, metaphorical and spiritual understandings are all in oneself. The evidence is in the fact that we all have different understandings.. That's why Jesus said, 'be careful HOW you hear' Luke 8:18

I think God can save to the uttermost.

Herein is the challenge to understand well. Get it wrong and you're and you're up the creek in a barbed wire canoe; get it right and you're on the road to wisdom :)

Understanding context is critical in any field of learning.

....and do I believe the Christian Bible?......I believe it the same way I believe the Earth rotates around the Sun.....not the Sun rotating around the Earth, which would you believe, was believed by most until relatively recent times. It seems to me Jack, you want to insist the Sun rotates...

G'day AlwaysOnAJourney.....well, that's not a bad thing :) You can be certain the devil is the accuser because the facts are you are loved more than you can imagine.....you just need to discover the details of that. When it comes to other people not caring or liking you, you can be up-front and...

If the olive trees and the candlesticks are metaphorical, why not the two prophets of which there are numerous texts available to indicate this?

Confusing a story told to make a point as being a theological treatise on the state of the dead is like confusing the joke of 'there was an Englishman, an Irishman and an American........' as being the facts of three men on their way to COP 27

Religion!.....did Jesus have a religion? Didn't they murder him because he was irreligious?; broke their laws, was considered a blasphemer, hung out with the riff-raff, let women of ill repute touch him, was considered a gluten and a wine-bibber......ahhhhhh, it goes on and on!

Why are Threads Disappearing in the "Unorthodox forum? lol.....maybe 'Unorthodox' is revealing its true nature? :)

I figure the devil's got that one factored in, he's no dummy; and if thats the case, how are you going to tell?

Off the top of my head I can think of God using the Persian King Cyrus to show extraordinary favour to the Israelites, then I can think of the donkey talking to Balaam. There are other examples also which right now don't come to mind. I think God can use whoever/whatever he wants. This is...

sooo Peter, if 'in him' means being in the spirit, what would 'in Adam' mean?