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  1. BreadOfLife

    Who founded your church?

    It's a matter of fact that a LOT of ignorant Christians do a LOT of things - but that's completely different from making blanket staements about what Catholics believe about suffering for Christ. As Paul states in Scripture (Col. 1:24) - we join our sufferings with those of Christ fpor the sake...
  2. BreadOfLife

    Who founded your church?

    That's because there is NO answer to that question because it's a FALSE premise. It's not about how many works you do - it's about remaining faithful (Matt. 7:19-23, Matt. 10:22, Matt. 24:13, Matt. 25:31–46, John 15:1-6, Rom. 11:22, 1 Cor. 4:4, 1 Cor. 9:27, 1 Cor. 10:12, 1 Tim. 4:1, 1 Tim...
  3. BreadOfLife

    Who founded your church?

    I LOVE that verse. However - James 2:19 destroys the fallacy that "faith" and "belief" are the same thing. James 2:19 You believe that God is one; you do well. Even the demons believe—and shudder! And in you abject ignorance, you fail to see that Paul is speaking the MOSAIC LAW in this verse...
  4. BreadOfLife

    Who founded your church?

    The Cistercian monks who were beheaded were taken hostage SOLELY because they were Christians by one of the most militant Islamist movements at the time (Groupe Islamique Armé/GIA). Funny how you completely ignored all of the other examples I presented of ascetics martyred for their faith -...
  5. BreadOfLife

    Who founded your church?

    First of all - there is not ONE SINGLE description of a full immersion Baptism in the NT. I'm NOT saying that this wasn't the norm - but is simply is NOT described. The 1st century document, The Didache (Teachings of the Twelve Apostles), written while most of them were STILL alive (60-70 AD)...
  6. BreadOfLife

    Who founded your church?

    WRONG. Faith is NOT simply "believing." If that's all you have - then you're NO better off than the demons (James 2:19) who do the same. True Faith WORKS through Love (Gal 5:6. 1 Cor. 13:1-13). Only the nes that DO the will of the Father will be saved (Matt. 7:21). If you count on your OWN...
  7. BreadOfLife

    Who founded your church?

    Thank you for that rationalization. Unfortunately - you have given ZERO evidence for your interpretation. The sprinkling of WATER and the REMOVAL of sin is a polyvalent symbol. In other words - it hase more than one meaning. In this verse, "Water" is the BAPTISM - and it is ALSO the living...
  8. BreadOfLife

    Who founded your church?

    Boy - you REALLY don't undrstand Jesus - DO you? He doesn't expect perfection - He expects obedience. You cannot have true faith without it but it's NOT about being perfect. We STRIVE for perfection in Christ. THAT is being obedient - whether we sometimes stumble or not.
  9. BreadOfLife

    Who founded your church?

    Your missing the point. My debate with @DNB WASN'T about who lilled more people. He was insisting that those who live an ascetic life, like monks - were "wasting" their time and never really suffered for their faith. I was pointin out that MANY of them throughout history were martyred for...
  10. BreadOfLife

    Who founded your church?

    They WERE given a chance to recant their faith and were butchered upon refusal. So were the monks of the Cistercian Monastery of Our Lady of Atlas in Algeria, who were BEHEADED by Islamic fundamentalists in 1996 for not recanting their Christian faith. I can show you example after example...
  11. BreadOfLife

    Who founded your church?

    Then you never heard of the Carthhusian monks who were slaughtered for their faith by the Ottoman invaders near Vienna in 1529. OR, the FORTY monks in the London charterhouse who were drawn and quartered by Protestant butchers during the English Reformation in 1537. How about the 800 priests...
  12. BreadOfLife

    Who founded your church?

    Nope - that would be the SAME fallacy as OSAS. Salvation is a process - NOT a one-time, slam-dunk event. The Scriptures assure us that we as Christians are ALREADY SAVED (Rom. 5:1, 8:24, Eph. 2:5–8) This is Initial Salvation – God give us the initial grace to believe. However, because...
  13. BreadOfLife

    Who founded your church?

    Tell that to the Early Martyrs who were fed ALIVE to wild animals. And it is a SPIRITUAL BATTLE that employs Christians from ALL walks of life: Married, unmarried, mothers, fathers, sons, daughters, pastors, preachers, those in pulic life and tose in private life, etc. God has a place and a...
  14. BreadOfLife

    Who founded your church?

    Wrong. As a teacher of the people of Israel - Nicodemus should have been familiar with Ezekiel's prphecy about Baptism and rebirth (Ezek. 36:25-28). THAT'S why Jesus rebuked him.
  15. BreadOfLife

    Who founded your church?

    GLAD you asked . . . John 6:40 For this is the will of my Father, that everyone who looks on the Son and believes in him should have eternal life, and I will raise him up on the last day.” Now, we know that "believeing" in Christ is NOT simply mental assent or emotion - because even the DEMONS...
  16. BreadOfLife

    Who founded your church?

    Jesus's Baptism weas purly symbolic because He is God. He was showing US what to do. As for Nicodemus NOT understanding because Christian Baptism was NOT a "thing" yet - this is why Jesus rebukes him: John 3:9-10 Nicodemus said to him, “How can these things be?” Jesus answered him, “Are you...
  17. BreadOfLife

    Who founded your church?

    And once again -you won't find the truth with your "Shim Ra Na" cult on aggressivechristianity.net. And, as for slinging "mud" - you really should look at your own posts before you accuse somebody else . . .
  18. BreadOfLife

    Who founded your church?

    It’s obvious that sacrificing for the Lord is WAY BEYOND your understanding I suggest you pray about it . . .
  19. BreadOfLife

    Who founded your church?

    Yup. Jewish babies entered the Covenant with God by their PARENTS having them circumcized. Christians babies ebter the NEW Covenant with God by their PARENTS having them Baptized. There have been MANY threads about the Church during the time of Nazi Germany on this forum – with MUCH...
  20. BreadOfLife

    Who founded your church?

    No - you don't have to list them ALL. I just wanted to make sure you included your Shim Ra Na cult at aggressivechristianity.net . . .