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  1. Grailhunter

    Open Debate Challenge on My Defending the KJV as the Perfect Word for Today in English

    LOL I guess you do not know that people can see right through you. What you say is not only not true….it does not even make sense. To you conspiracy theories are truth and reality, that is called an alternate reality. I am sure that most reading our conversations have picked up on that. And...
  2. Grailhunter

    Open Debate Challenge on My Defending the KJV as the Perfect Word for Today in English

    Again you live in conspiracy theories. Dr. frank logsdon made money scamming people. He was never involved with the translating process and never on the board….I listed those who were on the board….His involvement with them was not much more than taking out the trash. People can look this up.
  3. Grailhunter

    Open Debate Challenge on My Defending the KJV as the Perfect Word for Today in English

    You live in the world of conspiracy theories. The inaccuracies and inadequacies of the KJV are a matter of facts. I listed the errors of the KJV and people can look them up for themselves. And to keep things in perspective again…. 1. I like the KJV Bible a lot. Just for different reasons than...
  4. Grailhunter

    Open Debate Challenge on My Defending the KJV as the Perfect Word for Today in English

    I did not say that Nestle and Aland did or did not consider the Vaticanus and Sinaiticus? Quit trying to put words in my mouth. I disagree with your attempt to pigeon hole the work of those translating the scriptures. It does not matter if it the NASB or NIV or ESV. The word "based" is not the...
  5. Grailhunter

    Open Debate Challenge on My Defending the KJV as the Perfect Word for Today in English

    History of the New American Standard Bible The Lockman Foundation In 1604 a revision of the Bishops’ Bible of 1568 was commissioned. This revision, first printed in 1611, came to be known as the King James Version and is considered a landmark in the history of English Bible translation. More...
  6. Grailhunter

    Open Debate Challenge on My Defending the KJV as the Perfect Word for Today in English

    Like I said I would find it interesting to have a detailed run down of the translation process for the NASB by the Lockman Foundation. But you are only going to get that from the Lockman Foundation or one or more of the board members. What you got for quotes from the internet are accurate...
  7. Grailhunter

    Open Debate Challenge on My Defending the KJV as the Perfect Word for Today in English

    Define used? Just one of many resources. And I am with you on one thing I wish we had a break down of how the process went down. Even the discussions. And regardlees of what resouces they looked at there nothing to say that they included any of the errors in the modern translations.
  8. Grailhunter

    Open Debate Challenge on My Defending the KJV as the Perfect Word for Today in English

    NO. In court they call that “leading the witness” LOL Define “used for” As in do you believe that the Vaticanus and Sinaiticus are the two primary manuscripts that are used for both the Westcott and Hort text, and all subsequent Modern Translations after that? Again modern translations are...
  9. Grailhunter

    Open Debate Challenge on My Defending the KJV as the Perfect Word for Today in English

    Are you saying that at this point you still do not know what I believe in regard to Modern Scholarship's view.
  10. Grailhunter

    Open Debate Challenge on My Defending the KJV as the Perfect Word for Today in English

    copy and past here from post 369 you said--->First, I asked you what are the oldest and best manuscripts,
  11. Grailhunter

    Open Debate Challenge on My Defending the KJV as the Perfect Word for Today in English

    You have and odd style of debating. You say things that are not true to try to get people to believe what you say is true. LOL I did not dodge the question I said….copy and pasted here---> If you do not understand what the oldest biblical manuscripts means….we can discuss it. Lets start with...
  12. Grailhunter

    Open Debate Challenge on My Defending the KJV as the Perfect Word for Today in English

    You mean if I do not believe God is a monstrous puppet master and we are all robots some of which are damned before birth and babies that die go to hell I am I am rejecting God's word. LOL Yes predestination is a power of God but it does not define all reality.
  13. Grailhunter

    Open Debate Challenge on My Defending the KJV as the Perfect Word for Today in English

    What oldest manuscripts are you talking about? If you do not understand what the oldest biblical manuscripts means….we can discuss it. How many ways can you be wrong…..You look for conspiracies theories and you peddle conspiracies theories. Is this how you formulate your religious beliefs? It...
  14. Grailhunter

    Open Debate Challenge on My Defending the KJV as the Perfect Word for Today in English

    He was not the only one to have copies of New Testament writings. Look into the Early Church Fathers that were actually Christian…. https://www.historyinthebible.com/supplementary_pages/church_fathers.html
  15. Grailhunter

    Open Debate Challenge on My Defending the KJV as the Perfect Word for Today in English

    I did not say people did not have a collection of writings. Did they have a Canon? Look into the history of bound books. And Gnostic Marcion does not constitute the public.
  16. Grailhunter

    Open Debate Challenge on My Defending the KJV as the Perfect Word for Today in English

    Well modern deceptions we can talk about. But now a days the cat is kinda of out of the bag. The oldest manuscripts are in museums or various locations. These manuscripts have been photocopied and placed in books. (I have a couple.) Technically a person could translate them and print their own...
  17. Grailhunter

    Open Debate Challenge on My Defending the KJV as the Perfect Word for Today in English

    Just so we are not talking about two different processes.....at one time someone or a set of scholars would translate the scriptures and people translating would use that work as a reference. The problem with that is that whatever was wrong with that work would be duplicated in other Bibles...
  18. Grailhunter

    Open Debate Challenge on My Defending the KJV as the Perfect Word for Today in English

    No I will copy and past what I said....This is a blast from the past. As far as KJV enthusiasts go this is their favorite conspiracy theory. Not that intrigue and errors did not happen, the conspiracy theory is that it affects most modern versions in the 20th century.
  19. Grailhunter

    Open Debate Challenge on My Defending the KJV as the Perfect Word for Today in English

    This is a blast from the past. As far as KJV enthusiasts go this is their favorite conspiracy theory. Not that intrigue and errors did not happen, the conspiracy theory is that it affects most modern versions in the 20th century. Most modern translations are referencing the latest existing...