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The whole discussion though is WHY do people believe in Christ, not that believers go to Heaven.

Christ aids the seed of Abraham, meaning He aids those who will inherit salvation. Christ does not pray-intercede for the unbelieving world, as they are not of God the Father. Not born again by the Spirit, not foreknown as His. Christ gets His children-believers from God, they are given to Him...

To those God has granted to come and know Christ and Father God, is easily proved by many scriptures, some of which I do post in this thread. Not only God says that, Christ also says the same thing, doing what He sees the Father doing. John 5:19 Then Jesus answered and said to them, “Most...

Dispute this one also God grants to individual persons their faith in Christ, meaning their salvation versus those who are not saved. Those who receive Perdition means a destiny of HELL While those who receive Salvation means a destiny of Heaven, 'and that from God' Philippians 1 Striving and...

That is not at all part of the scripture being discussed as in God granting some person in the future to come to Christ. Sounds like you don't want to face the reality of What Christ says here.

The choice being God's decision as to who will believe in Christ. Dispute about why some people believe in Christ and some do not believe Christ. The ones God grants to come to Christ as opposed to the others, the unbelievers.

Scripture is more than opinions. I am just reading scripture, what it says. Too easy to hide from scripture by saying this word means something other than it says in context.

Who is willing to dispute what John 6:60 thru 69 says? Let's hear it

Actually your spinning the scriptures backwards, see I can say the same of you.

Disciples left Christ because He said things that offended them, which would be going against what they thought of God. Christ then explains why they left Him. The reason, God had not granted them to come to Christ and believe in Christ. God has to grant you your belief in His Son, which pretty...

Jesus said scripture cannot be broken. I just read scripture, as it comes, as it is written. Because of some of the things Paul wrote, some claim Paul was a false teacher, imagine that. They don't like the scriptures as written, so they ignore them at best or worse go on the attack against said...

I can only conclude that scripture has little meaning today to those who oppose the scriptures. They continually attempt to nullify what God has said, or they subvert and twist it. They certainly don't seem to read it or study it, as how can they say the things they say.

???? You are not reading the scriptures that tell us God foreknew HIS PEOPLE then. Romans 11 I say then, has God cast away His people? Certainly not! For I also am an Israelite, of the seed of Abraham, of the tribe of Benjamin. 2 God has not cast away His people whom He foreknew. Or do you not...

I think somehow reading comprehension is become reading incomprehension!

Vessels of mercy and vessels of wrath are individual people it is right there shown by v24, the vessels of mercy are US whom He called. Angles and Demons can not be saved, only other kind of thing a vessel here can be is a human person. 19 You will say to me then, “Why does He still find fault...

Tongues is communication with God only, people can not understand what is said.

The 'Toronto Blessing' was also delusional demonic deception, people making animal noises and moving like animals.

Anyhow your fight is not with flesh and blood, it is not with me either. It is a spiritual fight, and some resist and fight against God. Typical natural human thinking of carnal minds making God in their image instead of acknowledging God, who did it the other way. God wrote the words in these...

Scripture actually does say this. That chapter finishes up saying exactly that. vessels of wrath are not prepared for obtaining glory, they are prepared for certain destruction, and if it is not heaven then its the other place, hell. Then it also compares their fate, they are made to become...

I let scripture speak for itself.