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Luther? Nah. I am a disciple of Christ. Seems you are a disciple of the roman empire?

yes their faith (or what could have been their faith) was shipwrecked. not their salvation.

Yawn John 1: 11: 11 He came to His own, and His own did not receive Him. 12. But AS MANY AS HAVE RECIEVED HIM, to THEM he gave the right to become children, even TO THEM WHO BELIEVE 13 who were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God. (no works)...

But those works do not save, keep us saved, or keep us from losing salvation. Those who say they so. are in essence saying works save us Works are a byproduct of true faith. Not a requirement

lol You do not understand james at all If grace and works can not mix.. then why would james say it must be grace (faith ) plus works? or maybe he was tryign to show a group of licentious believers they did not really have faith? so they could repent? I know I would.. as strong as I would a...

Your church teaches it..and I already showed you

he is dishonest as well He said you thought Luther was right. then backtracked..

he is a catholic. He thinks his church has all authority.. so anyone else is a protester.

The catholic church will crumble.. And it will not be a day to soon. for someone who says they do not teach works based salvation. The catholic church has more ways to heaven (works) than any other church..

and you do not do this? I think this happens far to often by many pastors. we all can do this

Yet you have scripture diametrically apposed to itself.

lol Well you have 2 people contradicting each other.. So you are not showing to well you have any authority yourself.

You too. can you resolve the contradiction? Paul said no works, period James said works. why do they appear to contradict?

Yes we could say this AMEN AND AMEN now resolve the contradiction.. I have, have you?

Nope. but they never had salvation or lost it. they never had it. because they never had saving faith You do not say you trust somepone and never do a thing they say now do you? Yes I do I also understand there are so many passages that say that we are saved by faith NOT WORKS.. that to...

What does it profit, my bretheren, if someone SAYS he has faith..... says - Lego - To say, or to tell To speak to talk. Now you tell me if someone comes and tells you they have faith are they not claiming that they have faith? If you can not get this part right.. no need in reading the...

lol. Jews were the most duped in history so duped they crucified their messiah Catholics are right up their with them though

do you believe 1. Works are required to be saved 2. Works are required to keep saved 3. Works are required so as to not lose salvation. lets see your words. So if faith is not sufficient, and you claim works complete salvation. then how can you sit there and say you do not preach a works...

Judas did not lose salvation. He neve4r had it, he never trusted christ as redeemer,, He wanted christ to free him from rome Yes it would have been better. he walked with Christ for 3 years. was in the inner circle. Yet in the end, rejected Christ.. Judas never had life..

@Big Boy Johnson @ProDeo and @GodsGrace He al;so instructed paul to write Romans 4. and eph 2, and titus 3:5 and John 3, 4, 5 and 6 (actually those where jesus words) so why are you excited about james, and not the passaged, which using YOUR INTERPRETATION of james contradicts. The people...