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Tracing back to the apostles means absolutely nothing to Protestants. It's fantasy.

It's like you didn't even read my post.

Exactly what part of "I don't believe that version of history" am I not getting across?

St. John's community now, is it? How utterly confusing. The beloved disciple and apostle John learned directly from Christ, Who is the Head of the church-- not a vicarious entity.

Man, you really cover some ground in your posts. I love it! :)

You seem to assume that if I have read post #230, then I have seen the light and now automatically believe it. Interesting. The 1st paragraph contains a fair amount of presupposition. See if you can spot it.

For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord. (Romans 6:23)

Sounds like 2 different gifts being given at the same time to me.

...Which would matter to me if I believed such a thing. Why can't Catholicism defenders understand that there is a very large group of people out there who just aren't buying it?

What excuses?

Then I guess your mind-reading skills could use some work.

When did I attack your character?

I don't need to learn it. I know it exactly.

It was a rhetorical question, but thanks for the info. :)

I'm aware of the various definitions of "Catholic."

Really? We're going there? That is a rabbit hole the depths of which we have not enough breath left in us to plumb. You still don't get that Protestants don't regard non-canonical writings as being authoritative (regardless of what you or BOL claim about reformers' writings)? And the NT in no...

Good for "The Church."

How about if you practice what you preach by proving these points from the scriptures?

Congratulations. You do part of what God asks. Testifying to giving thousands of dollars and then calling others "self-righteous" is a bit hypocritical, don't you think?