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  1. Wrangler

    Jesus Followed Satan OR Satan Had Physical Power Over Jesus?

    Welcome @RootedWithGod to the forums. Although you didn’t answer my question, it was a good answer. sml If we read into the text as @Stumpmaster wrote that Jesus let himself be tempted and only in that limited context was led by the devil to the heights, it may give us some comfort. However...
  2. Wrangler

    Jesus Followed Satan OR Satan Had Physical Power Over Jesus?

    Thank you. I like to provoke thought. While I totally agree with this, the verses referenced in the OP state otherwise. How do you reconcile this?
  3. Wrangler

    Jesus Followed Satan OR Satan Had Physical Power Over Jesus?

    That’s simply not how the text reads. I understand you not wanting to come to terms with it.
  4. Wrangler

    Jesus Followed Satan OR Satan Had Physical Power Over Jesus?

    I'm doing no such thing. If you believe this is true, prove it. Show the Biblical content you are reading into this Scripture as I am directly quoting Scripture.
  5. Wrangler

    Jesus Followed Satan OR Satan Had Physical Power Over Jesus?

    I already provided it. Did you ever read Luke? Chapter 1:1-4 are the verses you seek IF evidence is dispositional. By contrast, you assert ch 4 is figurative with no evidence.
  6. Wrangler

    Jesus Followed Satan OR Satan Had Physical Power Over Jesus?

    The Gospel of Luke is a carefully studied work of historical fact. It may quote Christ’s figurative statements but not in Chapter 4.
  7. Wrangler

    Jesus Followed Satan OR Satan Had Physical Power Over Jesus?

    Nothing in the Luke 4 text suggests a vision. Are you reading into the text?
  8. Wrangler

    Jesus Followed Satan OR Satan Had Physical Power Over Jesus?

    Yes, the text is literal. Why do you question it being literal?
  9. Wrangler

    Oklahoma orders first shipment of Bibles for use in public school classrooms

    You must be aware that Jesus did not always gently persuade. He called people snakes, vipers and even the devil. Does that sound gentle to you?
  10. Wrangler

    Oklahoma orders first shipment of Bibles for use in public school classrooms

    No. Your implied premises are rejected. We are free to choose but not free from the consequences of that choice. Oklahoma is merely improving the education of its citizens. There is nothing dictatorial or hypocritical about it. (My, how you twist things!) Reading comprehension includes...
  11. Wrangler

    Jesus Followed Satan OR Satan Had Physical Power Over Jesus?

    In Luke 4:5 and 9 it reads, depending on the translation, that the Devil took Jesus up or led Jesus. If the devil led Jesus to a high place, it means Jesus followed the devil. If the devil had physical power over Jesus, why didn't he throw Jesus to his death? And why don't demons exercise...
  12. Wrangler

    Iraqi Parliament: age of consent proposed to be lowered to 9 years old from 18 years old

    I could always understand a man having sex with a 15 yo, though technically a minor, an obvious grown women, by biological standards. (Some say Mary was probably 14 when she conceived Jesus and 15 when she gave birth.) That is, as a man, I was made to be sexually attracted to a woman. But...
  13. Wrangler

    Iraqi Parliament: age of consent proposed to be lowered to 9 years old from 18 years old

    Good God! The earliest possible rational age of consent would coincide with ancient and Biblical Bar and bat mitzvah of 13 yo, coinciding with the biological transformation of puberty. i.e., sexual capability, if not sexual maturity.
  14. Wrangler

    Daniel Penny trial (he helped save other passengers on subway, but he's on trial for the death of other man

    The economic principle of taxation applies. The more you subsidize a behavior, the more you get of it. The more you tax a behavior, the LESS you get of it. Our society is punishing Good Samaritans. This explains the many stories of terrible things happening while bystanders look on. Decades...
  15. Wrangler

    Ellen leaves USA for the UK after Trump victory, will more make good on their promise?

    In no way does being proud of something mean one has to, defect, be proud of every aspect of it. I'm proud of the principles upon which the republic of the US was established. Since then, we have often failed to live up to those ideals. There is now so much corruption, I've taken to actively...
  16. Wrangler

    Oklahoma orders first shipment of Bibles for use in public school classrooms

    No. Learning about the Roman Empire. Actually joining the Roman Legions. Not the same thing.
  17. Wrangler

    Oklahoma orders first shipment of Bibles for use in public school classrooms

    Good question. I drive according to the actual, real driving conditions. I don't drive as if, what if there were different driving conditions that what is actually happening on the road.
  18. Wrangler

    Daniel Penny trial (he helped save other passengers on subway, but he's on trial for the death of other man

    To me, this guy is a hero! It shows what an upside down world we live in; the criminals are protected and the heroes are persecuted.