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I have no interest in an argument Jack. If we are going to discuss this and go places, an openness is required. I'm not sure if you're up to that....what do you say?

thank you for that info APAK

tell me what you've considered, Jack....in relation to this?

I would reconsider that, Jack.....and not to make mockery.

I would be very interested but don't know where to start looking

hmmmm.....do you have bone fide references to confirm this information APAK?

in kindness Karl.....notice the choice of words you are using.....ie, should, tell, they, people think. All these indicate an issue with the other...in ones view, not ourselves. It makes for preaching at. One only needs to ask the question 'how do I like being preached at?'...or, 'how attractive...

Tch tch tch....the arrogance makes me want to hide my face!

The title of my thread is being sarcastic Karl. Why? ....because we make a ton of words which ultimately amount to very little....even nothing......and in so doing it is revealed what is important to us.....namely, hot air.

If you want to know about doing to get to heaven which the rich young ruler did, Jesus told him. You know his answer! .....but it's a wrong/poor question. It assumes the starting point is you......and anything that starts with you will inevitably come up with a flawed theology.

Questions are in need of being asked. Without them being asked assumptions will surely rule!

could it also be that Heaven will be filled with people who don't believe in Heaven? Now before you jump to a conclusion, put your thinking cap on!

How you ask? by insisting on their own way

insisting our own ideas of what's going on is water tight ensures our ears don't hear.......and what can God do?.....he looks at us with pity as we dig our holes of ignorance. When we don't ask, we don't get. When we insist on telling we will not hear when we are told.

it is ones own words which reveal one's identity .....not what one overtly affirms or denies. Every religious fanatic will claim persecution on the grounds that they are right and the other wrong. The odd thing is, those doing the persecuting also claim their unerring rightness.....quickly...

That must mean the larger part of the world? Ignoring people means we don't care for them let alone love them......not withstanding all the words made about love.....not withstanding all the texts of scripture quoted......not withstanding the great flourishes on prophecy engaged......or the...

ahhhhhh, the ignore button!......is that like a clone of the one God has?:)

I s'pose a burning in the flames is the next loving move!:(

understanding or misunderstanding the language of scripture underscores Jesus words 'be careful how you hear'

lol....why the hoops? or is it just a lot of hoopla? :)