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But we ARE saved by grace....every denomination believes this. Ephesians 2:8-9 is valid also for the CC. This verse will be presented if you ask a knowledgable Catholic HOW a person is saved. How is the power of the cross denied when the Eucharist is given at every Mass? It symbolizes the...

OK I wont' respond! :blush: But it was the other member that explained WHY Mary had no sin. He said because original sin, or the sin nature, is passed on by the father. Jesus father was God....so Mary could not have had the sin nature.

Agreed. Agreed. Attacking is not good. There are a couple of members on this forum that are horrendous catholics. BUT, I must say that I agree that it was the CC that saved the early church from many heresies, put together the NT, and gave us the opportunity to be here today. Agreed. WHICH...

But I was not responding to those you mention above. It's not my place to tell someone they're not saved because they don't agree with a particular doctrine. If y ou want to think that it's doctrine that saves us....so be it. I DO NOT.

Agreed! Thus the Immaculate Conception !

The above do NOT sound like changes. Jesus is the Son...He's not the Father. God Father is spirit and is a perfect spirit. God is a perfect being. How could He change? If He changed would it be in a downward trend? Of course...what else could it be if He's already perfect. What verses support...

I define mainline Christianity to be in line with both the creeds and what has always been taught....IOW, what is orthodox. I was going to say what the majority believe, but I mean denominations and not individual persons. IOW, what we all agree with that would define a Christian - which is...

?? I would never say who is saved or who isn't. That's God's job. Why should I reconsider these questions? What's wrong with them? We were discussing whether or not Nestorius was correct. You seem to believe that he was. My questions were meant to clarify since your position was not clear...

You know...I'm not getting alerts for this. Guess I'll just check in every now and then. Didn't get an alert re your accident either.... :(

What happened to 7?? Will get on this in the morning.

Happy to hear that you're OK Carl. Thank You God. My brother and his wife of 38 years were on their honeymoon in Arizona. She was driving and she was sleepy but she kept driving and my brother had dozed off. They went off a cliff but were stopped by trees and lived to tell about it. It was...

Hi Keraz Thanks for your reply. Regarding the WHERE of the New Jerusalem. You and @quietthinker have given 2 different answers. BUT you both used almost the same verses: You: Revelation 21:1-3 HEAVEN Quiethinker: Revelation 21:10-11 EARTH I don't know much about eschatology - this seems...

Thanks Quitthinker!

@Eternally Grateful has also replied. You don't have to get back....the posts were sufficient. As to what comes first: Right after justification, sanctification begins. For some it goes slower,,,for some it goes faster. But it absolutely begins even before baptism. Jesus said to do it so it...

Of course....just to distinguish from Catholic. I do know a bit of Nazarene and AofG theology. I now a lot about reformed theology - although I'm told many times that I just don't understand it. Whatever. Like what? They believe in the sacraments as grace-giving instruments. I know kids that...

How does the CC persecute Christ?

OK So let's discuss for a few posts unless the OP stops us. Here's how it is for Catholics.... Most go to church on Sunday (or Saturday) to attend Mass. I doubt they even know what the Mass is or what the parts mean, etc. Some go to confession....not too many - most do not believe they need to...

Happy to hear from either @marks or @mailmandan . (explanation for baptismal regeneration)....

I don't even agree with Behold. OK about the "save" statement...no problem. I see a difference between what Behold does and what you did. He posts the same to everyone....that's how he posts. On a different forum, he'd be banned lickity split. What you're doing is trying to "fix" people. Only...

This is why I love Ignatius....he always agrees with ME!! LOL Love the Key Quote. But isn't the spirit of God also in those that have NOT been baptized yet? This is what I mean.... I see change in persons that come to believe but are not baptized yet. Sounds like man cannot be generated...