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No. I was addressing Romans 9. Again, it's stating that we cannot work our way to heaven. It depends on God's mercy. Does God have mercy in the reformed system? What about all the poor souls He rejected? No mercy in Calvinism. What? I was stating HOW one becomes saved. Acts 16:31-34 29And...

OK At least you understand that God's choosing in the reformed system is based on nothing. We have a member here that doesn't even know this and he claims to be calvinist. Christ's sacrifice was SUFFICIENT to cover the sins of the whole world. But we still have to accept that sacrifice on an...

You bring up an interesting point. If it's God that does the choosing....how can we know He really chose us? This is from The Institutes of the Christian Religion by John Calvin, Book 3 Chapter 24 Paragraph 8 Besides this there is a special call which, for the most part, God bestows on...

You're allowed. But could you show me a couple of verses that state that God chooses who will be saved? It should be clear in scripture since this is an important topic. Do I just sit around and wait for God to come get me... or do I have something to do with my salvation?

Romans 9:16 just states that it's not our works that save us. Faith is necessary. Will is self-determing but will always take outside matters into consideration. This is very different than believing that man has no free will.... if that were true, then calvinism would be correct because it...

I got an alert from you I can't find again! About how you were discussing this with someone some time ago. I agree that no one is going to change their mind... but many do leave Calvinism when they get a chance to really think about it. Also, there are persons reading along that never post...

Because the proof texts don't work. Because the entire theology is based on 2 predicates: 1. MAN HAS NO FREE WILL. 2. MAN IS SO DEPRAVED AS TO BE UNABLE TO SEEK GOD. If you believe the 2 above are correct,,,,and you can find it in the bible....then fine. If you do not believe they're...

Of course only God can save... the questìon is: based on what? The reformed believe God chooses who will be saved... and based on NOTHING that they can know....only that it's at the pleasure of God's will. Is this the God of the OT and NT?

Our experiences are different. But God does not save us FIRST, and THEN give us faith. Did I misunderstand the other member's statement? I understand that she cried out to God and she got saved. This sounds right to me. God makes the first move and gives us enough grace to know He's there...

Well WC,,, Please post exactly on WHAT God basis His choice for who will be saved. Thanks. And please don't put words into my mouth. I stated that YOU DON'T know what God basis His choices on... In reformed theology, they're based ON NOTHING, but His own will. I didn't say God's will is nothing.

See my post no. 108

,v You'll have to show us WHERE in the bible it states that man has NO FREE WILL. Thanks. Now on to your verses..... But we will exegete and not eisegete: God chose us IN HIM before the foundation of the world.... so that we would be blameless before God Father. It's telling you HOW we...

Bruce, again, you're not calvinist. Calvinism teaches that man is so depraved that he is UNABLE to seek after God.... when, instead the bible is replete with verses commanding us to seek God. @Eternally Grateful must be just as confused as I am.

No Bruce. The above is what mainline Christians believe. Man meant it for evil, but God meant it for good. This is correct but IS NOT what reformed theology teaches. The reformed do NOT teach that God has a plan for all. The reformed teaches that GOD PREDESTINATES ABSOLUTELY EVERYTHING THAT...

Bruce, Here's some news for you. You must not be reformed/Calvinist.

I'm a little shocked, to tell you the truth. I feel like I'm explaining the reformed faith to persons claiming to be reformed. What you've stated above is the good news. BUT WHO is the good news for? In the reformed faith, the good news is ONLY for those that God has chosen for salvation...

Our soul and our spirit.... and, at the resurrection, our body. We're born with the sin nature.... this separates us from God. There is none righteous, no not one. Romans 3:10 For all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God. Romans 3:23

In philosophy the concept of free will means something totally different. For example, does man have the free will to fly? Biblically speaking, when we talk of man having free will, we mean the free will to either sin or not sin. To obey God or not to obey God. We are free to choose. God...

You know Lambano, I kind of agree with you about this. Walk away or face it. I think, in my case, I need to take a stand on this. It's incredibly incorrect and needs to be addressed. It's clear from some posts on here that some don't even understand what reformed faith is If we don't see the...

What do you mean you like to stay open-minded? TULIP is something particular....it can't be changed. Did Jesus die on the cross or did He just swoon? Are you open minded about that too?