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MA, I think I was reading Luke in my post before this but mentioned Matthew. No matter, it's practically identical. I agree with you that there are different topics here and certainly I'm not an expert at this, but I see that there are two different conversations going on with Jesus and they...

Right. Didn't catch that. Thanks.

Read through Luke 21 and 22. Jesus is speaking about the destruction of Jerusalem and, at the same time, the end of the world. Right. In verse 12 of chapter 21, He says BUT BEFORE ALL THESE THINGS... Also verse 24 speaks of the time of the Gentiles being fulfilled - which is still not yet...

A, I'm sorry I wasn't following your convo with @Zao is life What do you mean that the OT didn't exist till the 4th century?

Then could you please explain/exegete John 20:23? It sure sounds like Jesus is doing exactly that: giving the Apostles the authority to forgive sins or retain sins. John 20:23 22Then he breathed on them and said, “Receive the Holy Spirit. 23If you forgive anyone’s sins, they are forgiven. If...

I don't believe it's a false doctrine. I believe the gifts are present to this day and I'm aware of the fact that not everyone believes this (I don't mean you - I don't know what you believe). Jesus said AS THE FATHER SENT ME, SO I SEND YOU. And then who came after the ones Jesus sent? Do they...

There should always be good will. How to discuss without good will? :blush: The bible is not going to repeat itself every single time something happens. In one instance we read of Jesus breathing on the Apostles... John 20:23 Can we presume that this is the only time Jesus breathed on the...

So are you saying that a person could "hear" from God and apply as Pastor at a church/denomination? Or do you think the "agency of man" is required to him to be able to pastor a church? You know, spiritual statements sound very nice,,,, but a man cannot just decide for himself that he's a...

HI marks.... Been away and I lost our convo a little...but, referring to the above, I stated that the Holy Spirit was received and also there was the laying on of hands in the bible times. What is it that you don't believe scripture supports?? The laying on of hands? I has posted 1 Timothy...

MA I read the above but am away from home for a few days. Will need some time to go over it. See you on Friday....

Hi Lizbeth.... Let's think this through, and I mean think --- I'm not sure of what lies ahead on this road. If Jesus gave authority to the entire church (we're discussing John 20:23) then does this mean we're supposed to be going to confession as the CC teaches? John 20:23 21So Jesus said to...

Agreed.

Always learning something new! Thanks.

They wouldn't.... in some cases it's OK. I'm special !! hlf

PS CHRIST IN ME Correct. We must abide in Christ in order to be saved. John 15:5 Christ in us is what gives us THE HELP, THE STRENGTH to obey God and live a life worthy of Him. Or have you become reformed and believe you're a robot that God is commandeering?

1 John 1:9 is nonsense? But Hebrews 6:1 is OK? So you pick and choose the verses you like and discard the rest? Please exegete Hebrews 6:1 because I'll tell you this: The NT does NOT conflict its doctrine. I'll wait for your reply.

Post some scripture that supports your position. I've posted a lot and have lots more. Your logic is flawed. JESUS SAVES US. But we MUST obey God in order to REMAIN SAVED. The NT teaches that he that endures to the end will be saved. Matthew 24:13 GOD DEMANDS that you OBEY HIM. All this...

Calm down Behold. You could go back and reread my post no. 1253 which you're referencing above. Anyone on this thread can do the same. I'll repeat: Jesus died to forgive YOUR SIN DEBT. Jesus died to BUY YOU BACK FROM THE EVIL ONE. I'm sure you've studied the different atonement theories... the...

I don't think we ever lead persons to ourself...I'm not even sure what that means. But yes, walking in faith and having a relationship with God is what is needed. Even in the OT persons were saved by their faith. Abraham believed God and it was credited to him as righteousness... Genesis 15 A...

There are no more Apostles. But when they died, they passed on what they knew to the next generation. There was laying on of hands... Hebrews 6:1-2 speaks of the laying on of hands. This was continued and is still in practice today. So just as Jesus blessed the Apostles, did lay hands on...