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David, You didn't reply to the above. I'm trying to discuss something important here. There were many heresies in the early church.... the earliest one being gnosticism which John spoke about in his letter 1 John. When he stated that some went "out from us because they were not of us" he...

I replied to a post of yours to which you did not respond. Also, the unpardonable sin has nothing to do with eternal security which is in Christ. What do you think the unpardonable sin is?

I explained why the Pope of Rome had preeminence over the other Popes. I can't help it if you don't know, or understand, church history.

Thanks W. Was here before you. Left, can't handle more than one site. Came back for varying reasons. I know you from the other site. :blush: PS It's always man that makes mistakes and is an impediment to God. Jesus remains the same.

What would you call person's taught by the Apostles? And also those that gave you the very NT you're reading? Who assembled and chose the books in the NT? Who did the Holy Spirit inspire? It's simple history D. Not much to debate.

Agreed. I haven't found any problem with the Fathers YET. If you know of one, I'd appreciate hearing about it. They teach perfectly what the Apostles taught them. Which must, necessarily, be biblical. I believe a man that was taught, for example, by both John and Peter can be relied on more...

Let me ask you this: Which church fought the early heresies? Were there Bishops in the early church? Did Jesus leave anyone in charge? I mean, I try to discuss church history sometimes and I'm told it's not in the bible. The world continued after Jesus ascended. Hope you reply, but tomorrow...

Oops. Maybe you know the early Father's!

PS95 Let's see if @Augustin56 agrees with me... It sounds to me like you should be reading the ECFs. Pre-Nicene.

Yes. You're second paragraph is correct.

I do believe that the CC is the original church. Wish it had stayed as it was in the beginning. I mean just up to 325AD

Agreed. So now what? Do we still go to church? My sis in law stopped going to Any church. Jesus said to remember Him. Do we stop receiving communion? I'm feeling like no denomination has the full truth.

Hey Wrangler You still around? The church is supposed to teach US.... Not the other way around. I would just give up. What you described is not acceptable.

I wouldn't put the CC in the same category as the Mormon church. But that's not what I'm interested in. What I mean is that, yes, the CC does have some incorrect doctrine, IMHO. But isn't it also pretty bad when one says the word PROTESTANT and we don't really know what/which belief system is...

There is only one true church The Church. The Body of Christ. OK. Now having said that.... what is so great about the non-Catholic church? Is Protestantism correct? How could we know what Protestantism believes?

Indeed. And after 1,500AD, scripture has been destroyed by incorrect theology which DID NOT EXIST before then. And look where it has brought the Christian faith.... :(

True. I'd also like to add that Martin Luther wanted to remove the book of James from Canon because it spoke about doing works...or...works having something to do with justification. I'd also add that ANY new teaching from the early church can be considered as false. Including the teachings of...

What is fides aliena?

For those reading along.... Didn't YOU YOURSELF state that I posted the article? Yes. I have a few theories of my own.

What you are describing is salvation not received when offered by God. What I'm saying is that a person that lives in sin.....even though they walked down some isle somewhere and accepted Jesus as their Lord and Savior....IS LOST. This can happen because a person decided he made a mistake and...