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You are actually speaking of two different things here. There is a parable where Jesus speaks of 2 sons. One says that he will obey his father and the other says he won't. But the one who says he will...doesn't and the one who said he won't...does. So which one is deemed righteous? The same...

Gods Standard is...the fruit of the Spirit by entering into His rest...not us trying harder to be more Christian by our own power and effort to be good.

At the reformation we see human interpretation gaining credibility. Just this issue of an "imputed" righteous that one bestows on himself for a belief...is proof that the standard of Christ has been thrown away in favour of pleasing men. Only God can personally impute righteousness on a person...

It is one thing to not have the faith to fulfill the commands of the Lord...and quite another to teach others from that lack of faith. It is better to say...I cannot...but others can....rather than I cannot and others can do no better than me. Humility is better than foolish pride. And we will...

After picking a lot of fat and gristle off that bone... :rolleyes: There is SOO much unbelief going on here.

Nancy. it is one thing to lack faith in one's own walk...but another to declare that others can't fulfill what God has clearly commanded. What does this mean...perfect Christians? We are already made perfect by simply entering into Christ. Mature? of course not. So what you could say...

If we could just see ourselves so often.. Look at the Jewish standard of torah. The rabbis teach that although no one can do all the mitzvot (laws) any effort towards the torah will produce a benefit. For the rabbis...it is NOT all or nothing. (otherwise they would lose all their followers)...

We are fortunate to have a common departure point....the written word. But from there there are many flights of fancy...as well as journeys into the mysteries of God. Our task is to get on the right track! :)

And thank you for your reply Nancy. :) There is a conundrum you are bringing up. If the kingdom of God is in heaven...how can it be also in us? Well, the doorway or access point to that heavenly realm is in us. Christ in you. But just having that doorway in us doesn't "save" us from this world...

Granted. But we are not a spirit but a soul. Having a perfect spirit is of no use to us if it doesn't convert our souls. It is our souls that will be judged not our spirits. The spirit within us is a potential that can save our souls. James 1:21 Therefore, get rid of all moral filth and every...

Grace is more than mercy. walking in grace means we don't need to be forgiven anymore because our walk is exactly like Jesus' and our perfection (in Him) the same as God's. It is easier to understand if you see perfection in Christ as a location...to be IN Him. Phil. 3:9 and be found in Him...

The wages of sin is always death. The universe and God have not taken a 180. You have a way of understanding that is fundamentally flawed. We are to be set free from sin....the sin factory which is in our flesh. We need a new operating system. The old one was flawed. But the new one is perfect...

God has raised the stakes...upped the ante. Instead of just fire coming down...God's Holy Spirit falls down on us...like at Pentecost where the fire divided to remain over the heads of the followers of Christ. Those who present themselves as living sacrifices are the "Abels" of today. Those...

Paul was to present every man perfect in Christ. Colossians 1:28 28 Whom we preach, warning every man, and teaching every man in all wisdom; that we may present every man perfect in Christ Jesus: Perfect is a place. A realm. It is Christ living through us...from perfection. Sound doctrine...

This is false. We are not seen by God one way while we behave in another way. This kind of teaching is from the evil one...that would have us NOT enter into Christ by faith. So we remain powerless in our own fleshly strength. This is to play into the hands of the enemy. We don't have a goal...

We are not meant to emulate Jesus Christ....well one can try and perhaps improve their conduct...which is good. But for the Christian one is to enter into Christ and His perfection. Not I but Christ. The walk of Jesus is already perfected...and we enter into that...ready made...by grace...

The problem we have with God is in the little words. Words like..."all".. We are prepared to sacrifice "some" but not all. The ways of God are all. We will not find God unless we seek with ALL we have and are. ALL our hearts and minds. It isn't all or nothing however...it is all or something...

Jesus is perfection. His perfection is His gift to us. But that gift remains IN Him. We need to go to Him to get it. We walk in His life as we abide in Him. But this is very difficult because we love our lives too dearly. We don't want to surrender our lives for another person to take...

Hey sister! We're living in a time where the standard of Christ has been brought down to a level where people can walk in the flesh and still call it walking in the Spirit. The problem with that, besides hiding the victorious walk from people...is to push back on the basic righteousness of...

This is so sad...to have this kind of lack of hope of the relationship with the living God. :( It's like seeing a very popular band (say the Beatles) and thinking...I could never play like that....I could never write songs like that. It is taking the experience in a negative way as opposed to a...