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Irenaeus Bishop of Lyons, Gaul, (now France) (AD 150) Irenaeus is in rock-solid agreement with the general assessment of Justin, which is not surprising, since they both held similar eschatological beliefs and ministered around the same era in history. The earliest Chiliast writers all tended...

Amils and Postmils stand with the ancient Amils and Chiliast on this issue. Modern Premil takes its beliefs from the ancient heretics. Justin Martyr Asia Minor (now Turkey) (AD 100-166) Justin is very clear: And when the Spirit of prophecy speaks as predicting things that are to come to...

It wasn't the apostate Roman "church," it was the ECFs, most of whom came before the Roman system.

There is one Rock - Christ Jesus. Only idolaters like the Roman catholic "church" think otherwise.

Avoidance is avoidance and gibberish is gibberish. Plain and simple. You have nothing of biblical worth to bring to the table.

Your failure to address the simplest possible question shows how bereft you are of biblical support. All you have is prideful personal opinions that duck around the question on the table. We all know Pretrib has no proof text. Your uncomfortableness and inability to address this, just confirms...

Your position has been well and truly exposed! You know it. If you had it you would present it. All you have is private opinion. This is what the cults do.

Where teaches a rapture of the Church, followed by seven-year tribulation, followed by a third coming of the Lord in Scripture?

LOL. You are providing nothing apart from personal opinion. That is the basis of your posts. You like to talk gibberish. You have nothing in the sacred text. Your avoidance proves that.

You clearly have nothing. We all know that. I am simply exposing the folly of your position to you. It is a man-made Jesuit doctrine. It has no basis in Scripture, as your avoidance proves.

Exactly bro. This epitomizes Pretrib Premil. It is fake news.

Your doctrine is crumbling before your face because you cannot present any Scripture. You blindly believe what you have been taught. It is obviously extra-biblical. It is a Jesuit invention foisted upon Protestantism. If you had a proof text you would present it. Where teaches a rapture of the...

Amils believe that He comes at an hour we think not of. This proves nothing. What you cannot present is one proof text for the Pretrib teaching. That is because it cannot be found in the Book only in the Left Behind novels. Where teaches a rapture of the Church, followed by seven-year...

You are a master at avoidance. When do/did "the last days" begin? When do/did they finish? When is "the last day"?

One needs eyes to see and the ability to divorce themselves from the error of man's teaching to comprehend Revelation. You seem to struggle with both.

The early Chiliasts anticipation was completely different to that which modern-day Premils hold today. Early Chiliasts envisioned a future millennial age that would be devoid of the wicked, corruption and sin. We have many explicit statements from them that describe an all-consummating return of...

Many Amillennialists see 7 cycles in Revelation relating to the intra-Advent period. These parallel each other. Cycle 1 (received on earth) Cycle 1 is basically introductory. It is the only vision that was received on Patmos. It relates to direct messages relating to the conduct of the seven...

You denying biblical facts means nothing apart from exposing your struggle with the inspired text. I showed you the evidence. You reject the evidence. That is the pattern with you. The vials and trumpets describe the same realities from different angles.

Agreeing with Keraz means nothing. I would prefer you to agree with Scripture. When do/did "the last days" begin? When do/did they finish? When is "the last day"?

Where is your rapture here showing a 7 years trib or any trib duration after?