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  1. Wrangler

    Is Ignorance Bliss?

    @Pancho Frijoles, a Biblical way to set this juxtaposition, to use Biblical terms is the BALANCE between Truth and Grace. My former pastor wrote a short book entitled Grace and Truth, putting Grace first precisely because so many people are biased toward truth that Grace inevitably gets...
  2. Wrangler

    Is Ignorance Bliss?

    It is not a real world example. In the real world, there is the soulful consideration. Forgive me but you ignored the wisdom of this OTOH. Leaving academic theology aside, what can you say about this application of the wisdom "Ignorance is bliss"? If you can't say anything nice, don't say...
  3. Wrangler

    Is Ignorance Bliss?

    That’s a specious ‘if.’ One rationalization for it would be the more smoking is promoted, the more SOME people are attracted to it DUE TO some perversion of their ego. Can you think of another explanation? I do not believe it is wise to develop a moral guide based on how the irrational...
  4. Wrangler

    Is Ignorance Bliss?

    Another great thread @Pancho Frijoles My first Bible Study leader was fond of observing that the constant message of the Bible is, "Don't go too far left. Don't go too far right." (Jesus spoke of this as the narrow road.) OTOH, we have "ignorance is bliss." And OTOH, we have, "know the truth...
  5. Wrangler

    The social gospel?

    Why don't you change your pic then?
  6. Wrangler

    The social gospel?

    Yes. Some things are irreconcilable. Ultimately, God will throw many into the Lake of Fire.
  7. Wrangler

    The social gospel?

    Yes, it is. It is my analogy and it is your dollar to give. The dollar represents respect for others, humility, appreciation and acknowledgement that others know the Spirit of God AND have effectively communicated it in the present case. I put it this way. @Lizbeth puts it another way. @marks...
  8. Wrangler

    The social gospel?

    That's your problem! I'm reading a book now called No More Christian Nice Guy. The author parses the Spiritual from the Soulful. He contends today's churches are too biased toward the Spiritual, neglecting the practical needs of the body of Christ. Although my daily bread, which I give thanks...
  9. Wrangler

    The social gospel?

    Often when I read @Episkopos posts, I'm reminded of that insurance commercial where an old guy has a fishing rod with a dollar attached the hook. His reliance on mysticism causes his readers to go from following what he is saying to NOPE, almost got it, e.g., "INTO" Christ, Jesus did not pay for...
  10. Wrangler

    The social gospel?

    Epi, my post was not directed to ‘people’ but you. A little humility would go a long way. Rita writes a lot of the Spirit and it is apparent you are not of the Spirit due to your glaring lack of humility. Just admit that there are consequences, price to pay for ALL our choices, including...
  11. Wrangler

    The social gospel?

    Eli is all over the place. Epi, Rita said you are splitting hairs. A little discernment. When people say “Jesus paid for our sins,” they mean the consequences of our sins. Sadly, I believe you are VERY disingenuous to proclaim “Sins are free.” Everything is free but you have to pay for it.
  12. Wrangler

    It Was Hard For Me To Understand Christian Modesty for Women

    There are now much better work pants than jeans. Lighteweight, breathable, soft, stretchy nylon that dries quickly with more pockets and zippers. Try Men's Work Pants & Shorts
  13. Wrangler

    Strength and Honor: Triumphing over Feminism

    The hateful "I don't need a man" mantra. The way I see it, if a woman embraces this mantra, men should avoid her like the plague of death. Independent of ANY relationship, all people, including women, should strive to be the best they can be. Everyone should strive to be healthy - mentally...
  14. Wrangler

    Should I Leave My Church?

    Thank you everyone for your contribution.
  15. Wrangler

    The social gospel?

    The things you read on the internet is amazing.
  16. Wrangler

    Should I Leave My Church?

    I'm afraid that is more likely than not. No. A book I read on boundaries said that you know you are in an unhealthy situation when you are expected to have a high tolerance for unacceptable behavior. Hiding humiliating people under the banner of a joke would not work against Blacks or women...
  17. Wrangler

    Should I Leave My Church?

    Perhaps I am to be the one to initiate the meeting.
  18. Wrangler

    The social gospel?

    Well said.
  19. Wrangler

    Q for JW- KIEW?

    I really don't know how you come to that based on the verse. A debt paid is not the same as a debt forgiven. I believe God has inhuman compassion. He knows the debt we have and wants us to repent. He's done his part.