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why do you keep discussing daniel 9 when you have refused to look at what I said,. The church is no in dan 9.. and actually if you believe this, then you should know it does not concern the church. and be open to the fact it is not yet completed. anyway, i will give you one more change...

Because it is talking about tribulation saints. And they are being told they will have to wait until the end of the tribulation until their fellowservants were killed as they were.

the saints in rev 12 and 13 are gentile believers. the offspring of the woman. which is Israel. Israel is still blinded in part. and at this time, being protected in the mountains.. as she was told to run

I will agree to disagree..

lol Look at the news my friend if you think Satan is bound and not deceiving nations. That Christ is rulling with a rod of Iron. You are more decieved then even I can help you with. No. they do not prove satan is bound/ I used the word to prove WHEN it will happen, and WHAT will happen...

Dude STICK TO WHAT I SAID. Your going off on tangents. that do not in any way prove your point Your starting to act like a troll. keep it up and I will treat you like a troll

see here you go again 1. You did not respond to what I said. nor disprove what I said 2. You went off on some tangent, not even sticking to the conversation. (is this because you have no answer you can;t respond to me? Yes, there will be a complete end to the fallen state AMEN so we both...

alot of fluff here. And I would agree with you concerning the church. But you failed to respond to my post., the woman will be protected for 3.5 years Then the beast goes after her offspring and is given authority over them for 3.5 years. Can you please still to what I said. Nothing you said...

The problem with those who reject premill. is they do what they claim others do Rev 20 occures after the great tribulation. After the return of Christ, and after the reign of Christ on this earth. Yes we all agree.. Where we disagree is the timing. yes, we agree.. But it does not prove your...

The great tribulation is a period of 3.5 years of hell on this earth.. Not just one seal. The sign of the heavens occur AFTER the great tribulation Matt 29 29 “Immediately after the tribulation of those days the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light; the stars will fall...

yes, after he is bound, and he is crushed. and THEN this earth is destroyed, and a new heavens and earth appear

Yes he preserves the woman (Israel) But the man of sin is given authority to go after her offspring, the saints of god who obey his commands. Rev 12: 13 Now when the dragon saw that he had been cast to the earth, he persecuted the woman who gave birth to the male Child. 14 But the woman was...

Niether have you. I have posted it twice now. and crickets from you

No, it does not happen at this time, But thank you 2 peter 3: 10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night, in which the heavens will pass away with a great noise, and the elements will melt with fervent heat; both the earth and the works that are in it will be [d]burned up...

the base means of eternal security is the fact that no one passes, we have all failed. so where do you get your thinking from? and I agree, Labels are a problem. Labeling people OSAS is a huge problem. lets just look to the word lol. It is what? Everything is not ok. the biggest con is that...

the great tribulation is the wrath of God.. It is Gods answer to sin. he has been patient. The day of the lord is God putting an end to the great tribulation..

Do me a favor please. don;t just tell me something did not happen. Post the passage, and explain what happened. And again, Please look at my last post. and show where I erred. You saying I am wrong does not make you right..

I saw nothing to support this view. Can you first look at my view in post "post 86" here I will repost it. can you show me where I erred. Your friend ran away and did not say anything, will you?? “Know therefore and understand, That from the going forth of the command To restore and build...

Um no, Satan goes with all power when he is cast our. and spreads his wrath on this earth. That is part of what causes the great tribulation. His power is put to an end AT the second comming, when he is bound for 1000 years.

Matt 24 : 9 - 13 is not even during the trib period. it is the time period of the last days. or as many call it birth pangs We are witnessing these events today as we speak.. all of them.. so this does not disprove pre-trib. nor does it support it. which is my argument, much of the arguments...