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  1. Spiritual Israelite

    The "watch rapture view"

    Douggg, you make a lot of arguments from silence. Do you know what an argument from silence is? It's when you make an argument based on what something doesn't specifically indicate as if that alone proves that the verse is not saying a certain thing. In this case, you argue that it does not...
  2. Spiritual Israelite

    The "watch rapture view"

    I have done that lately because of my frustration at you not responding when I tried to have us both stop doing that. You continued to make insults in your posts towards me and towards Amil even after I did that. You're not fooling me with your innocence act here. Give me a break. LOL. Again, I...
  3. Spiritual Israelite

    The "watch rapture view"

    You're not thinking very carefully about this. When will it happen that the tares are cast into the fire? At the judgment after standing before Jesus, just like the goats in Matthew 25:31-46. So, the context of Matthew 13:30 is in relation to the judgment, not in relation to what happens right...
  4. Spiritual Israelite

    The "watch rapture view"

    No, that is talking about the destruction and desolation of both the city and the temple, as prophesied in Daniel 9:26-27. That is the prophecy that Jesus expected people to think about when He mentioned the prophecy in Daniel in relation to the abomination of desolation. Yes, of course I agree...
  5. Spiritual Israelite

    The "watch rapture view"

    That comment does not address what I'm saying. I am not saying that Luke was speaking there. Obviously, it's Jesus speaking there. I'm saying that Luke paraphrased what Jesus said for the sake of his Gentile audience. They would not have known anything about Daniel's prophecies, so that's why...
  6. Spiritual Israelite

    The "watch rapture view"

    For the past almost 2,000 years many Christians have suffered much persecution and tribulation, but for some unknown reason Christians will not have to experience it once we get to the point where we're 7 (or however many) years before the return of Christ at the end of the age. Pre-trib is a...
  7. Spiritual Israelite

    The "watch rapture view"

    Yes, they most definitely are. Do you actually think that Jesus talked about people in Judea needing to flee to the mountains after seeing something that would indicate that Jerusalem was about to be made desolate twice during the Olivet Discourse? And do you think He said "And woe unto them...
  8. Spiritual Israelite

    Ai's analysis on "the great and dreadful day of the LORD" - your thoughts?

    I could not care less if you do that. You obviously are very stubborn and aren't willing to accept the truth, so go right ahead. I will talk to people who actually are open to the truth instead. No matter how civil you think you are, you are still believing heretical doctrine, which is...
  9. Spiritual Israelite

    PRETRIB RAPTURE ANCIENT ROOTS

    Jesus descends from heaven only when the righteous are ready for the marriage supper, as shown in Revelation 19. You have Him gathering us even before that, which makes no sense. We will meet Him in the air, not in heaven. He is not going to descend from heaven only to turn around and go back...
  10. Spiritual Israelite

    Ai's analysis on "the great and dreadful day of the LORD" - your thoughts?

    Explain that, keeping in mind that heaven itself is God's throne (Isaiah 66:1). It's sad that you don't care. You obviously have very weak faith and it doesn't seem like you even know what you believe. Ask God for wisdom (James 1:5-7). You are here talking about your position, so it would be...
  11. Spiritual Israelite

    PRETRIB RAPTURE ANCIENT ROOTS

    You are dodging the point. There is no destruction or wrath described in Revelation 14:14-16. And it shows Him using His sickle, not just displaying it in His hand to warn people. Revelation 14:14 Then I looked, and behold, a white cloud, and on the cloud sat One like the Son of Man, having on...
  12. Spiritual Israelite

    Ai's analysis on "the great and dreadful day of the LORD" - your thoughts?

    LOL. That's all? Jesus just needs to literally shift over a bit? Why do you take that literally? Do you know that heaven itself is the Father's throne (Isaiah 66:1)? Do you think the right hand of the Father is some location outside of heaven?
  13. Spiritual Israelite

    Ai's analysis on "the great and dreadful day of the LORD" - your thoughts?

    You have no proof for something that would definitely have some proof if it actually happened. We have documentation of what happened in 70 AD, but nothing about Jesus supposedly bodily returning at that time? That's complete nonsense. Yes, I can. His existence is proven by what He has made...
  14. Spiritual Israelite

    Ai's analysis on "the great and dreadful day of the LORD" - your thoughts?

    What do you think it means for Jesus to be at the right hand of the Father and what do you think is the difference between that and being on the Father's throne?
  15. Spiritual Israelite

    PRETRIB RAPTURE ANCIENT ROOTS

    There is no destruction described in Revelation 14:14-17. There is only destruction described in Revelation 14:18-20. Revelation 14:14-20 is a symbolic representation of the same event that is written about in 1 Thessalonians 4:14-5:3.
  16. Spiritual Israelite

    Ai's analysis on "the great and dreadful day of the LORD" - your thoughts?

    You must not understand what it means for Him to be on the throne with His Father and what it means for Him to be at the Father's right hand. Him being at the Father's right hand means He is on the throne with His Father. That's where He has been since His ascension. At the same time Jesus was...
  17. Spiritual Israelite

    Ai's analysis on "the great and dreadful day of the LORD" - your thoughts?

    Surely, such a significant event as Jesus coming visibly and bodily from heaven would have been recorded somewhere. Why would we not have any documentation anywhere of such an incredibly significant event? No, the mentality is that there should at least be some proof of such a significant...
  18. Spiritual Israelite

    PRETRIB RAPTURE ANCIENT ROOTS

    Sounds like the beast has been around for a long time already since it "was" even before John wrote the book of Revelation. Also, one of the heads of the beast, represented by seven symbolic mountains (kingdoms) and kings, "is" at the time John wrote the book (Revelation 17:10), so the beast was...
  19. Spiritual Israelite

    PRETRIB RAPTURE ANCIENT ROOTS

    LOL! Have you never heard that word before? Do you know what book we're talking about here? Are you somehow not aware that there is symbolism in the book of Revelation? Do you actually think that a literal sickle will be used to harvest people? Get serious. Yes, that's what I said. Are you...
  20. Spiritual Israelite

    PRETRIB RAPTURE ANCIENT ROOTS

    I would never refuse to believe what is written. I have no problem refusing to believe what you think is written, though. Read the rest of Romans 11 from the beginning and you can see what it means. Do you know what it means for "blindness in part" to have "happened to Israel"? Romans 11:1 I...