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AJ, why are you so resistant to anything that could be possible apart from your WT theories? Why divert attention by trying to squirm out of the hot seat and attempt to put me in it? To me it smacks of dogged stubbornness and desperation.

The greatest danger of sin persisted in, is that one will lose the ability to believe one has been forgiven. Men generate and perpetrate vengeance on themselves. Judas suicided not because he couldn't be or wasn't forgiven but because he believed he couldn't be. He made God in his own image...

@1stCenturyLady ....Our (all humanity) condition is like a rusty old car, overgrown and to all appearances unsalvageable. (as in Adam all die) Our status on the other hand is determined by how God sees us in Jesus all are made alive....that is how God see's us.....and we grasp that by...

No 1CL....I'm sorry to burst your bubble of assumptions and the package that comes with those assumptions.....however, I want you to know, I don't hold it against you. :)

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I'm mad about the blindness and ignorance that is perpetuated and justified. Did Jesus whip the money changers??? Quoting scripture without context means little. Understanding God's vengeance does not have one arriving at the conclusion that it's payback time in the way humans view it.

You have not understood what I have said 1CL....and besides, why is there a constant reference to SDA?

Of course you don't understand anything cryptic by your own admission or cultural idioms and it seems you're not willing to....it might contradict your views. It sets you up for a world of guesswork when it comes to understanding Prophecies which employ these things. Straining knats and...

yeah, confusion is the standard MO for those who trumpet a vengeful God while at the same time speak of him as saving.....that's got to be obvious. Confusion erodes surety and puts the mouth into babbling mode. Confusion hides behind many words because it doesn't see clearly.

You confuse status and condition. Our status is we are holy and undefiled and spotless; our condition is we are miserable sinners tainted with selfishness. Imagining our present condition to be faultless is nothing but a delusion with self honesty being far away.

really??....blow me down, I didn't know that day and night were determined by the Earth going around the Sun; I thought it was the determined by the earth rotating on its axis.....Shucks, I better check I've got ten fingers as well....all my counting might be skew as well!

or chalcopyrite?

or is it straining knats and swallowing camels?

have you asked a religious Jew what it means?...or do you mean God created through the night and daytime only got a mention briefly? (morning) that's if the sun was up. :) ...and what if it means, the night and the day....how would that fit into your theory? I think you better get some advice...

You need to speak to some Jewish folk and ask them. Us Westerners are so dogmatic when it comes to understanding Jewish idiom....we do ourselves a disservice and wear our ignorance like a badge of honour.

more trash in the Oceans....we are so smart!

A person who justifies a God of vengeance has the role model for treating others the same. A person who insists on a God of vengeance projects his/her own desire.

Is that like, you won't need to adhere to the speed sign if the speed restriction is in your heart?

The Created Earth rotated on its axis taking 24 hrs to complete a full rotation. Ever wondered why 24? ..and who or what determines the hour anyway? Was it arbitrary?...is God arbitrary? or is all he says and does with deliberate purpose? 12 & 24 are numbers repeated in various sequences in...

you're not arguing with me 1CL, you're arguing with God's own words.