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And, in your complete ignorance, you take John OUT of context as you do the other Scriptures. In context, John is talking about going back to a life of willful sin. OTHERWISE, he would not have written the following and included himself: 1 John 1:5-10 This is the message we have heard from him...

My signature line is aimed at those who spew lies and falsehoods. I have absolutely NO problem discussing truth with anyone. Here is an example is the idiotic lies that you anti-Catholics regurgitate here on a DAILY basis: Catholics "worship" Mary. Catholics "worship" statues. Catholics...

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Not at all. It simply means that I don't tolerate lies - even for the sake of "unity" because that is FALSE unity. Everything I have presented is straight out of Scripture - and YOU were unable to prove your point - from Scripture - that the Church is "merely the body of believers". PROVE me...

NONE of those verses makes the claim that the Church is "merely the body of believers". James 2:19 tells us explicitly that even the DEMONS believe in the truth about God. Are THEY part of the Church?? In Matt. 7:21, Jesus differentiates from those who merely "believe" in Him and those who are...

Soooo, you don't believe that Jesus spoke to Moses at the Transfiguration?? Is that what you're saying, Einstein?

WOW. You're really a LOT more ignorant that I gave you credit for. Unfortunately for YOU - the discussion about tongues and other gifts of the Spirit doesn't end in 1 Cor. 12. It continues ALL the way through 1 Cor. 14 - and the "tongues" spoken of are NOT about "known tongues" as YOU so...

Says virtually EVERY reputable Biblical scholar - Catholic AND Protestant. Your asinine position that it was "okay" for the Apostles to call themselves "Father" to their congregations - but NOBODY else could do that - is the most ridiculous argument I've ever heard on the subject.

And THAT'S why we have tens of thousands of disjointed and perpetually-splintering Protestant sects that ALL teach different doctrines - while ALL claiming to have been "led" by the Holy Spirit. What a mess . . .

Ahhhhh, more ignorant nonsense. from the BOTH of you. I have already proven this claim wrong several posts back - and a few times since. - Jesus said, “Your father Abraham rejoiced at the thought of seeing my day; he saw it and was glad.” (John 8:56). - Stephen refers to "our FATHER Abraham,"...

The Apostles are the Apostles and are not considered to be the "Early Church Fathers." The ECF's began with the Apostolic Fathers such as Clement of Rome, Polycarp of Smyrna, Ignatius of Antioch and Papias of Hierapolis. These are men who knew the Apostles and/or were actual students of them...

And it's STILL not 8% of the clergy. By those percentages the Church today is actually doing better than the Apostles during the Gospels . . .

Why are you so afraid to show me the verse?? If you;re going to make a sweeping claim like "The church is merely the body of believers" - at LEAST have the courage to present the Scripture verse that supports it.

Soooo, YOU judge your entire church by ha few bad people - instead of by the body as a whole?? It's a good thing that Jesus wasn't like you - given the fact that out of only TWELVE that He hand-picked - ONE of them was rotten. That's over 8% of his Apostles. There are bad people in EVERY...

Your entire response is a gigantic contradicton. It'd "wrong" to call somebody "Father" - but it's "okay" for Paul because YOU say so. It's ALSO "okay" for the ECFs - again, because YOU say so. But, gosh-darnit - don't call anybody ELSE "Father"!! Can YOU say, "Hypocrite"??

Because ALL of the 7 Churches in Revelation are in Turkey. It wasn't addressed to EVERY Church. Where is the church at Corinth mentioned?? Galatia?? Thessalonica?? Phrygia?? This isn't rocket science . . .

HISTORY shows us that much . . . Ignatius of Antioch Follow your bishop, every one of you, as obediently as Jesus Christ followed the Father. Obey your clergy too as you would the apostles; give your deacons the same reverence that you would to a command of God. Make sure that no step affecting...

Actually - I was explaining Paul's journey - and John's and Peter's and James's, etc. They ALL struggled with sin AFTER being born again in Christ. The main difference between them and YOU - other than your incredible arrogance - is that they admitted it.

False. Paul referred to HIMSELF as a "Father" to the Corinthians - in the spiritual sense (1 Cor. 4:14-15). He referred to HIMSELF as "Teacher" to the Gentiles - again, in the spiritual sense (2 Tim. 1:11). The Early Church "Fathers" are another perfect example. Your understanding of Matt...

And once again - it's mot ME who deems that salvation is a process - it's the Word of God. As I educated you earlier - the Scriptures tell us that with the initial gift of grace to believe - we are "saved" - in a sense (Rom. 5:1, 8:24, Eph. 2:5–8). If we were to drop dead right there - we would...