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He has been like this since I first met him years ago But what about the penalty of death? In a court of law. The offender who is guilty has to pay his debt In the court of the heavenly law. All have sinned and fall short of the glory. No one has kept the law. Which was to prove to us our sin...

No. You have people saved while still under the penalty of sin, because yu reject substitution and forgiveness. You can’t take it back now.. if has been exposed Grace is Gods mercy at Christ’s expense. God does not just set aside the penalty of sin and say its ok, I forgive you. With out...

Again @Nancy I think this about explains it all..

You have people saved in sin, You have them saved while still under the penalty of sin. You can’t be holy while still under the penalty of sin. Blinders? He tacked the penalty of sin. So he could restore us to him, And in doing so removed the power of sin. If yur sin is not covered, Your...

There you go @Nancy to him it is a ploy to make Jesus death about forgiveness, You also see the other thing that irritates people. His attitude. In the first post. He mocked us all by saying he is the teacher!! (He is the know it all that is going to school us all) Now he is claiming us to be...

How much more clear can it get @Nancy I have known Epi for many years across many chatrooms, and his message is always the same. The cross is not about forgiveness. It is about making us so we can walk like christ. (Sinless) so he does nto have to forgive us. Epi says a lot of things that are...

You still have not answered the question. What was the purpose of the cross.. When John the baptist called Jesus the lamb of God who takes the sin of the world You keep saying there is nothign that says it, Yet people have shown you the opposite. If your not willing to answer my question, i...

How does he do this? He said, when you see these things, the end is not yet. They did not see them in his day.. they have not been set yet even till this day But he is talking about events. Not symbols.. When you see things things happen. But the end is not yet. It is the begining of sorrows...

yet according to the law. He did require it

Sorry But a contrite hart will not pay for your sins again, Why did jesus go to the cross? Can you please answer

Again The prodigal son was a son. What makes us sons of God. Is everyone saved?

your not answering the question God demands a payment for sin (the wage of sin is death) So how can God forgive sin Jesus went to the cross. What reason did he die? Th blood of atonement, what was this for? The examples you are using is we are to forgive our bothers. God forgave them so...

God does not just forgive people His justice demands a payment for sin, Its why he sent his son

Paul also understood the price of mercy. Its why jesus went to the cross.

Well that is not what Paul said It would? How I am not sure really how this relates What? What did Jesus die for? Jesus was not a figure he was the thing the figure pointed to Why? Who pays for our sins god does not just throw out his judgment. Does he How can I sacrifice Myself enough...

No I was just saying. Sorry if you took it wrong forgive me

We are talking about the law. Namely the offering of the high priest on the day of atonement. We also have sin offerings they were told to offer for sin I believe the first sacrifice was the animals used to cover the nakedness of Adam and Eve

@Nancy is a good person.

He said that the cross is not about forgiveness. I quoted his post. So if you do not support this thinking (Praise God) why would you support Epi. since this is the very thing Epi teaches. He says the cross is not about forgiveness. its about the freedom from sin (sinlessness) so that God...

I agree yes, this I agree with also Yes, Again I agree agree again Not sure what this has to do with trying to prove to me that there is no penal substitution in the NT. or am I misunderstanding your first point?