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So is that a yes or no answer to my question in post #209? Do you believe that that thief may have previously been converted, was water baptized, and the fruit of that is being crucified as a thief, along with blaspheming, mocking and shaking his head at Jesus while hanging on the cross?

So you believe that that thief may have been converted, was water baptized, and the fruit of that is being crucified as a thief? - (highly unlikely) In Matthew 27:39-43, we see that those who passed by, along with the chief priests scribes and elders blasphemed, mocked and shook their heads at...

All you get is salvation by works which means you don’t get it. James 2 is often misinterpreted by works-salvationists. Faith is not merely the first step in being saved and we are saved through faith, not works. (Ephesians 2:8,9) In James 2:14, we read of one who says/claims he has faith but...

You still don’t get it and continue to confuse acts of obedience “in order to become saved” with acts of obedience “after we have been saved.” If you wish to trust in works for salvation, that is your choice, but count me out. I trust in Jesus Christ and Him alone by faith as the ALL-sufficient...

See post #178. Salvation Through Baptism ???

It’s not gymnastics and I prefer to properly harmonize scripture with scripture before reaching my conclusion on doctrine instead of hanging my hat on a handful of pet verses taken out of context.

Some would argue for Spirit baptism, yet regardless, either way, Mark 16:16 does not teach that whoever is not water baptized will not be saved.

In an attempt to “get around” the thief on the cross being saved through faith “apart from water baptism,” some will make your same argument above while others will argue that we don’t know for sure if the thief on the cross was already previously baptized. So before the death of Jesus in Mark...

Sure I read it. All of it and I did not stop at the first clause which is clarified by the second clause. Mark 16:16 - He who believes and is baptized will be saved (general cases without making a qualification for the unusual case of someone who believes but is not baptized) but he who does...

That one example is sufficient for me. In Matthew 27:39-44, we see that those who passed by, along with the chief priests scribes and elders blasphemed, mocked and shook their heads at Jesus and EVEN THE ROBBERS WHO WERE CRUCIFIED WITH HIM REVILED HIM WITH THE SAME THING. I certainly don't see...

justbyfaith say no more? LOL! Good luck with that. :D

Show me one verse in the Bible that says, "whoever is not water baptized will be condemned." The Bible says whoever does not believe will be condemned. (Mark 16:16(b); John 3:18)

Where does the Bible say that we “must” (water baptized or condemned) be baptized or else? How could you lose your salvation for not being water baptized if you must be water baptized to be saved in the first place?

I truly believe that black lives DO matter, ALL black lives, as do the lives of ALL people everywhere, but I recently read a disturbing article about the BLM movement which makes me wonder if there is a political agenda behind the movement. Do all black lives matter?

There is a difference between obeying a command/what the Apostles taught in order to become saved and obeying a command/what the Apostles taught after we have been saved. Must keep His commandments/must obey everything the Apostles taught in order to become saved takes us into salvation by...

Salvation is not probation. Eternal life is not temporary life. Jesus is the door. He is not a revolving door.

There are a handful of verses in the Bible that works-salvationists try to use as proof texts to prove that water baptism is absolutely necessary for salvation, yet a careful examination of each of these texts in context will show that none of them prove that baptism is absolutely required for...

That is an important distinction between what the devils believe and what Christians believe. In James 2:19, we see that the devils believe "mental assent" that "there is one God," but they do not believe in/have faith in/trust in/reliance in Jesus Christ for salvation. In other words, they do...

In James 2:14, we read of one who says/claims he has faith but has no works (to evidence his claim). That is not genuine faith, but a bare profession of faith. So when James asks, "Can that faith save him?" he is saying nothing against genuine faith, but only against an empty profession of...

That reminds me of James 2:26 - For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also. The spirit (Greek pneuma) may also be translated "breath." As a breathless body exhibits no indication of life, so fruitless faith exhibits no indication of life.