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That relates to the future return of Christ. Tell me how exactly you think the kingdom of God came and was inherited in 70 AD. It's eisegesis, but when did I say that the parable proves Amill? Never. Instead, I'm saying that only the future return of Christ fits what the parable talks about...

Right. Just like he did in Galatians 4:22-31. Agree. But, we will be accused by some of turning all of this into "meaningless mush" by not taking it all literally in a physical sense.

This is like saying that the book of Revelation is just flowery language and actually loses all reality and substance, turns into meaningless mush because of its use of symbolic text. That's nonsense. No one is saying that it's fictional. The symbols represent real things. And not just physical...

That is a lie. Symbols symbolize reality.

I don't. How could I be talking to you if you were on my Ignore list? I obviously am reading your posts. If you were on my Ignore list I wouldn't see your posts.

I'm not aware of any such site. I'm talking about what I have seen people say in the past on forums like this and to me in person. If you don't want to believe that, then that's your problem.

@Davidpt Do you have any thoughts on what I said here? It seems like there are many times when I address one of your arguments and then you never respond back.

I asked which verses you think have a dual fulfillment, so please answer that question. He said some things that related to each of those churches specifically and some things that applied to all churches then and from that point on. But, there is nothing He said that had a specific fulfillment...

No offense, but I couldn't care less what you find to be convincing. It is described as "the bride, the Lamb's wife" (Rev 21:9). If you want to think that a literal city is Christ's bride, then I can't stop you.

Not even close. Forget it, man. This is hopeless. Let's move on.

What is the point? Clearly, there is some symbolism in the book of Revelation. No one denies that. There is disagreement over how much. Are you claiming otherwise or what?

This is something I hope all of us here can agree on. With that said, I do hope you are able to fish during that time. It's eternity, so I think you'll have time for it. LOL.

You are a stubborn one. I have seen and heard the comments of pretribs who do not believe the tribulation begins at the beginning of the 70th week, but rather begins a bit after that or at the midpoint. So, you can't tell me otherwise. It's a minority view among pretribs, but some have it.

Haha. I dont need to do that because I don't see Zechariah 14 as being directly related to Revelation 20. You should do that.

Not looking to argue because we already agreed that we can't fully imagine it. But, in my view, fishing will seem not very interesting to you compared to what God has in store for us. Just my opinion. Set your expectations higher is all I'm saying. But, I'm with you that I can't wait. Looking...

Not overall, I'm not. I say Rev 21 happens in the future, but a full preterist does not. Not completely. Not even close to what I believe, overall. Read everything I say, not just a few words here and there.

LOL. I don't recall names offhand, but it's a view I have seen. I am not saying it's the typical view. I just thought I'd point out that there are other pre-trib views since you came across as if there was only one. I have no interest in discussing this any further.

Why are you not looking at the other verses for context?! Who did Jesus say are in His kingdom? The wheat. Not the tares. Matthew 13:38 The field is the world; the good seed are the children of the kingdom; but the tares are the children of the wicked one; What kingdom did Jesus reference...

We can speculate, but I am glad that we can't imagine it with our limited minds. That would be disappointing. It will be better than anything we can imagine, in my opinion. We will not be disappointed. I'm sure you would agree with that.

Doug, was I debating this? No, I was not. You don't need to tell me things like this. You completely wasted your time. I was simply pointing out that there are other pre-trib views besides that one. That doesn't seem like tribulation at all, so this is why some pre-tribs do not see the...