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  1. Grailhunter

    The 10 Commandments are FOREVER

    The Apostles were Jewish Christians...no surprise....we are not Jewish Christians. There was no requirement for them to keep the Sabbath. And there is no requirement for us to keep the Sabbath. But that does not mean we can't observe the Sabbath. We just got to pick which style. Again...
  2. Grailhunter

    The 10 Commandments are FOREVER

    Christ's ministry was still in the Old Covenant....so it was correct for Him and the Apostles to keep the 613 Mosaic Laws. No surprise. Things changed after the crucifixion and resurrection. Today there is no sin to observe the Jewish Sabbath. But you still have to choose what style of Sabbath...
  3. Grailhunter

    The 10 Commandments are FOREVER

    Old habits die hard and they were still attempting to convert the Jews. The Apostles were Jewish-Christians and some did and some did not. The Gentile-Christians were never required to observe the Sabbath. Look at the resolution of the first Christian Council between Paul and James in Jerusalem,
  4. Grailhunter

    The 10 Commandments are FOREVER

    Ya but none of this address the topic at hand. things change....if your wife cheats are you going to shoot her?
  5. Grailhunter

    The 10 Commandments are FOREVER

    The Laws in chapter 34 of exodus are the Ten Commandments Exodus 34:11-28 Again that is what I told you that there is a contradiction. And you can deal with that as you wish….The Jews have been pondering it ever since. Around the early 1800’s Johann Wolfgang von Goethe (28 August 1749 – 22...
  6. Grailhunter

    The 10 Commandments are FOREVER

    My point was that the Bible does not say that the woman at the well was stoned. And I pointed out the story of her being martyred was a matter of history.... Depending on how you look at it all history is extra biblical.....the Protestant reform is both history and extra biblical....was it true?
  7. Grailhunter

    The 10 Commandments are FOREVER

    @Truth7t7 I disagree, Jesus forgave the woman at the well of Adultery, her punishment was death by stoning Jesus abolished an eye for an eye @Truth7t7 The Bible does not say that the woman at the well was stoned but history says....Eventually, having drawn the attention of Emperor Nero, she...
  8. Grailhunter

    The 10 Commandments are FOREVER

    Again that is what I told you that there is a contradiction. And you can deal what that as you wish. What we have here is God calling the Ten Commandments in chapter 34 the Covenant Commandments and telling Moses to write them down on the tablets. And Moses obeys and writes them down on the...
  9. Grailhunter

    The 10 Commandments are FOREVER

    LOL ya got to read the whole verse...LOL Are you watching football too?
  10. Grailhunter

    The 10 Commandments are FOREVER

    No surprise....Christian polygamy and concubinage continued for...a couple centuries....Jewish polygamy for a 1000 years after Christ's ministry. Catholic priests had concubine "type" wives because the Catholic Church would not allow them to marry....both still continue to this day for various...
  11. Grailhunter

    The 10 Commandments are FOREVER

    Nothing can replace a full course on the Mosaic Law but lets address this one topic. Take each of the short summaries in chapter 20 and find the full Law in the Torah. When you do that you will see the actual Mosaic Law is more detailed.....So you should be able to see that these are summaries...
  12. Grailhunter

    The 10 Commandments are FOREVER

    But they are not the same list that is in chapter 34 that God called the Ten commandments of the covenant and told Moses to write on the Tablets. And most importantly are part of the Mosaic Laws. What you have is a clear contradiction not an establishment of the Ten Commandments. Have fun with...
  13. Grailhunter

    The 10 Commandments are FOREVER

    I keep trying to point out that people should consider what the ten moral statements in Chapter 20 are for. Why did God start out with those moral statements. They are more or less summaries of some of the actual Mosaic Laws. And they have a significance that is important. They are just not the...
  14. Grailhunter

    The 10 Commandments are FOREVER

    The Disciples Kept the Sabbath 85 Times in the book of Acts - EliYah Ministries
  15. Grailhunter

    The 10 Commandments are FOREVER

    Ignatius, a second century Christian Bishop cautioning against Judaizing in his Epistle of Ignatius to the Magnesians contrasts the Jewish Shabbat practices with the Christian life which includes the Lord's Day: Let us therefore no longer keep the Sabbath after the Jewish manner, and rejoice in...
  16. Grailhunter

    The 10 Commandments are FOREVER

    I guess you do not know.....I tried to explain it simply now you can go to your Bible and find where the Sabbath in Exodus was a day of worship and animal sacrifices. And when we get to Christ time we can look up all the rules and restrictions that the Pharisees put on the Sabbath to make it...
  17. Grailhunter

    The 10 Commandments are FOREVER

    I am just saying that observation of the Sabbath changed as time went on....some of it made sense and some of it did not. In Exodus it was simple and made sense.....the Sabbath was made for man in observance of the day that God rested....for people to rest from their labors...a day of...
  18. Grailhunter

    The 10 Commandments are FOREVER

    Originally in Exodus and Yes....they are a fact post 298 of this thread
  19. Grailhunter

    The 10 Commandments are FOREVER

    So what happened with Enoch and Elijah? That is your bible too right?
  20. Grailhunter

    The 10 Commandments are FOREVER

    They were not observing the Sabbath in Christ era, the way that the Torah described it.