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Yes that is true....but non of that is predestined.....we choose to love God.....we choose to be obedient. No robot Christians. Free-will rules!

God did not create robots.... And your rhetoric, I have heard before....nearly word for word.....from cultists, attempting to recruit.

At least you are consistent. Consistently wrong.

I guess I was put on the predestination list for worshiping the Puppet Master

Father.....children of God

Remember that! YES.....AND I WILL OBEY! I WILL WORSHIP GOD BECAUSE I AM FORCED1 I have the free will to disagree with you. Human....robot.....rabbit....what purpose does it serve for God to have forced worship?....what does it mean to us to be forced to worship?

I have literally discussed this with you before. If I try to describe my education, people think I am bragging. You cannot go to college to study such things and not study the reformers.....LOL Predestination as a reality can be suggested with the same rational that Yahweh is a sadistic...

No one that knows anything about John Calvin thinks he was stupid or uneducated.....He just produced a horrible religion. And his idea of theocracy was messed up too. The Oh, people just understand him does not fly. Of course he was not responsible for the morphing of his religion....but it did...

No that....work with and work in is the same,

What does not kill you makes you stronger....LOL

There is nothing I do on this forum that I would want some one to follow me or even believe me. Johnny Appleseed of Truth. I sow the seeds....from there it is between whoever and Christ. Now how I deal with evil is another thing. I stay away from complicated issues, topics so most of what I...

Disagree on all points

Is your whole religion based on misunderstandings or somebody no listening? Is that how you think the Bible is written?.....The Gospel is a misunderstanding? These scripture are very detailed and clear....if you cannot understand them.....can you understand anything in the Bible? Or is that how...

Again...words means things. God can work with people, no one denies that. work with is not control....work with is not predestination.

Working with people is something God has done in the whole Bible.....that is not predestination.

After reading this it is easy for me to say, you are wrong on all counts. Paul would never accuse God of the evil that you people do. With the robot reality that you guys fantasize about there would have been no reason for Christ. No absolute stupidity. Predestined as reality has no merit...

LOL No body is controlling me. I choose Christ. The god you speak of is most likely Satan. What you are saying is that Satan predestined things so he would have a guaranteed quota. Satan worship even though I know God would not allow him to do it, much less be evil enough to do it Himself.

Exactly a god that denies freewill....is a monster....what would be the point of a puppet show? Enslaved by a monstrous god. Certainly he has the power to enslave....but the he would be Satan, and our Good God would not let him.

One of the other neat little facts about John Calvin....He did not believe in democracy. Like the Taliban he believed in theocracy. Religious control of people based on denominational beliefs....ie his beliefs.

Martin Luther....John Calvin....Zwingli If you are a student of the reform, you have to study these fellows. John Calvin's problem was between his ears. Well educated and intelligent and dedicated. Schooled in the humanities....its like being educated at Berkley. His problem was with...