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The CC is not all bad. It has held on to Christian morals and upholds them. They have some wrong doctrine...as probably all churches have something or other wrong. I do believe the CC is very misrepresented here .... unfortunately. For the church, I mean.

@Philip James is right E...and I've been through this with you myself. You can believe what you want to, but a knowledgeable Catholic knows more about his faith than you can.... The sacrifice of the Mass does NOT RESACRIFICE JESUS. It's a memorial...it brings us to the foot of the cross. Who...

I thought that too, but I know it's a typo from what GH posts.

Looks like it's happening now with that law passed in NY. Some parishes will go out of business. Good.

Don't know why but your entire post will not print out. You posted some stuff from the ECFs and then stated that the statement agreed with Augustine. No wonder you have problems understanding YOUR faith... You can't read correctly. THOSE STATEMENTS DO NOT AGREE WITH AUGUSTINE. Study up on...

Did you hear about the New Evangelization? This is the catholic church supposedly trying to evangelize their own people because they did such a terrible job in the past.... And this isn't looking much better to me since people are leaving the church all the time.

I agree. We could use Him as an example in ACCEPTING suffering... but I can't say that God could possibly be happy with seeing us in this world system. This did remind me, however, of Jesus being an example for us in the Atonement Theory that is called "Moral Influence Theory". #1 The Moral...

I like John of the Cross too...but haven't learned enough about him. He seems to have a deep understanding about everything. Maybe I'll see if I could get something written in English. St. Theresa was translated into up to date Italian so it was very understandable.

I'm not here to try to debate this...if it's your belief, that's what it is...your salvation does not depend on this belief... There are verses like Matthew 25:46 where Jesus says that some will go into eternal punishment and some to eternal life... I just tend to trust what Jesus taught...

In your mind all is settled. Fortunately for humanity...reality does not exist in your mind but in the N.T. Exegete this: Deuteronomy 30:19 "I call heaven and earth to witness against you today, that I have set before you life and death, the blessing and the curse. So choose life in order that...

Interesting remark about catholics and protestants still seeing suffering in a religious context even today. In the catholic church it's taught that we can offer our suffering for others...maybe those in purgatory, or maybe for others that are suffering in some way. I don't think God wants His...

Beautiful post. I also remember always knowing about God and Jesus....Jesus was a different person to me than God. I'm talking about my childhood...I went to the Catholic Church. I was 10 or so and do remember this. But it wasn't until about the age of 28 when it all became real to me. Jesus...

What false accusations did I make of the council of Nicea? I didn't even discuss it. DID I SAY the council changed anything? It was the first council...how could it have changed anything? Which assertions did I make? I think I'll have to stop talking to you since you seem to have a problem...

YOU claim we have no free will. YOU must prove that we do not.

What do you mean by bearing the sins that are remitted by persons issuing the indulgence? I studied the book by St. Theresa for a whole year with a teaching friar in a sanctuary near my home. About 15 of us...it was very nice.

Good explanation. It made me think of how I view calvinism....no justice from a just God. But then the N.T. says that the wicked will be thrown into the Lake of Fire OR will go to eternal "judgement" (punishment). So do you think the L of F will just burn everything out forever?

OK,,,but you said above that IT IS MORE than symbolic. You said it's an act of obedience, it's a fulfillment of righteousness, as Jesus spoke of when being baptized... Jesus meant that He wanted to follow all the rules as any of us should do. I like your thought that it was like a coming to...

I agree. It IS a mystery.... What did I see that made me believe? What did YOU see that made you believe? I think one believes or not. I don't think it can be attributed to something we see,,,although this IS possible also. For instance, I'm sure many in concentration camps got saved and...

And some of those saints went on to write their own books. I agree with two of your witnesses: Scripture and Tradition. I would replace the saints with the Early Church Fathers....I trust them. As to saints...I see my catholic friends depending too much on saints... some saints had weird...

It's simply doing what Jesus said to do: LOVE GOD LOVE YOURSELF LOVE YOUR NEIGHBOR So, it's like, you go to the store one day in a bad mood. The clerk aggravates you. Instead of getting mad at her/him,,,you try to be patient and not make their day any worse. Little stuff like that adds up to a...