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Of course not. They are on 2 different levels. One is through the power of the flesh. The other is through the power of God.

The "doozie" here is to leave God out of the equation completely and assume He justifies you because you say so. The "doozies" don't get more presumptuous than that. But the truth is that He gives grace to the HUMBLE....not the presumptuous. (this is actually in the bible)

Have you looked at the churches of Philadelphia and Laodicea through the parallel with Eliakim and Shebna? (Is. 22)

This thread is about people imputing righteousness on themselves because of their beliefs. And very few will see a problem with that. Abraham did not impute anything to himself. Neither did Phinehas. God spoke up for these. But all this imputing stuff is mere speculation...on the part of...

Ps. 106:30 But Phinehas stood up and intervened, and the plague was checked. 31 This was imputed to him as righteousness for endless generations to come. Phinehas killed 2 people to get this credit from God. But I don't think we should make a doctrine of it. God decides things...not us.

In your opinion that is. Mat. 10:28 Do not be afraid of those who kill the body but cannot kill the soul. Rather, be afraid of the One who can destroy both soul and body in hell.

And a righteous man feeds the homeless...because they are hungry.

Jesus is the saviour of the whole world. The proud and religious might want to claim Him for themselves by creating religious hoops that they want others to jump through. But fortunately God doesn't look to men for approval. We are , however to seek the approval of God...which IS...

I said....country. Look at the maps at the back of your bible. Now go to the time of Jesus and look for a country called Israel. That was a spiritual call....not a national reformation. God doesn't have a UN. God isn't into human politics. He's trying to get us interested in heavenly politics.

Of course. When Jesus says not to judge this is precisely what He means. We can't put people into tidy religious boxes and think we understand God.

It is easy to get lost in the details. I did like your analogy to hearts of stone. I just didn't think it was exclusive. I try very hard to not limit God. It comes from my study of Hebrew, There are just so many different facets to the truth...I don't want to lose any. :)

It is actually difficult for the righteous to see their need of God. They are already doing well. Sinners understand their need. Sinners are closer to their need. But some righteous do turn to God. Cornelius, the centurion, is a good example. And of course many sinners do not turn to God...

He was righteous....but he allowed his weakness to rule over God's strength. He didn't need God enough.

The kingdom of God does not come with observation. Jesus said it was in our midst. The spiritual world of Zion is here...in the Spirit. One day this kingdom will become the reality for everyone. But at this time we are to seek for it. That doesn't mean we are to seek for death. So you're overly...

I think you're going too far with all this. You reacted to something I said about glory... The stones analogy has been exhausted unless you think the stones crying out has something to do with Mick Jagger.

If all of creation will be filled with God's glory...the stones are included in the all. And you are speculating that Jesus meant hearts. Did the devil tempt Jesus with eating hearts?

Or at least...they who claim to be born again. Actually that just usually means a Republican. Nothing eternal there.

So there is hope for you. But then there is...always learning but NEVER coming to the knowledge of the truth. That is to look at legalistic notions ABOUT God but never knowing Jesus.

Imagine a Sabbatist on a desert island with no calendar. Now, where can he place his rest? Can he justify himself by resting on any given day? NO...he needs a sabbath fix. So the whole point is about justifying oneself. As in....look how observant I am! But God is not legalistic and doesn't...

Hey...you are still learning and growing. That is a good thing. :) Peace and grace to you.