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    22 major reasons to abandon the Premil doctrine

    · Premil has a big devil and a small God. · Premil has a big devil and an impotent powerless church. Amils have the opposite. They have a conquering Christ who has empowered the Church to invade Satan’s territory and see him defeated everywhere the light of the Gospel is received...
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    22 major reasons to abandon the Premil doctrine

    Yes, it the eternal state, not some imaginary and undesirable mongrel future earth equally filled with glorified saints and mortal rebels, righteousness and unrighteousness, sin and sinlessness, immortality and mortality, peace and harmony and war and terror. This concept is totally unknown to...
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    22 major reasons to abandon the Premil doctrine

    Revelation 19:11-16, “And I saw heaven opened, and behold a white horse; and he that sat upon him was called Faithful and True, and in righteousness he doth judge and make war. His eyes were as a flame of fire, and on his head were many crowns; and he had a name written, that no man knew, but he...
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    22 major reasons to abandon the Premil doctrine

    1 Thessalonians 4:15-5:3 confirms this saying: “we which are alive and remain unto the coming (parousia) of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep. For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in...
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    22 major reasons to abandon the Premil doctrine

    Whilst modern Premil try to present their millennium as free of the curse, sin and sinners, dying and crying, war and terror. But Revelation makes clear that the curse is not lifted until after the millennium. The new earth ushers in incorruption. It is only then that sin, death and weeping are...
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    22 major reasons to abandon the Premil doctrine

    So we are now in the millennium? It is now 2022! I believe Revelation is full of 7 recaps. In my opinion, Revelation 17-19 is the 6th of 7 parallels. It is a record of God's dealing with Babylon. It culminates with the climatic coming of Christ. The wicked are all destroyed in that...
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    22 major reasons to abandon the Premil doctrine

    For info: Christ brought His kingdom 2000 years ago. See my posts above. Premil takes all the attention that Christ now enjoys reigning in heaven as the true tabernacle of God and redirects that to some alleged rebuilt brick temple in natural Jerusalem in the age to come. They bring the...
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    22 major reasons to abandon the Premil doctrine

    Christ ushered in the kingdom of God when He came. Jesus said in Matthew 11:12, “from the days of John the Baptist until now the kingdom of heaven suffereth (biazo) violence, and the (biastes) violent take it by force.” Jesus said, in Luke 16:16, “The law and the prophets were until John: since...
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    22 major reasons to abandon the Premil doctrine

    Of course it is not a physical earthly kingdom, as Premils imagine. You keep presenting Zechariah 14 I support for your opinion of Revelation 20, yes you have not been able to present a detailed comparison between Zechariah 14 and Revelation 20 (the two main often-presented Premil proof texts)...
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    22 major reasons to abandon the Premil doctrine

    Not so! Tim attacked Amils, and you conveniently jumped on the bandwagon again. Your silence is deafening.
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    22 major reasons to abandon the Premil doctrine

    I presented the evidence and you ducked around it. Your theology cannot abide the Word. Your avoidance shows that. The kingdom is here not and the redeemed enter into it by faith - fact. You have nothing to refute that with. Your fight is with the Scriptures.
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    22 major reasons to abandon the Premil doctrine

    It is notable that you refuse to condemn the crude and unChristian Premil rhetoric against Amils on this thread. That is why it is hard to take your comments serious. They are just classic theological partisan politics! “You are a fake.” “This is hilarious.” "Hogwash -- all of it!"...
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    22 major reasons to abandon the Premil doctrine

    Of course it is not a physical earthly kingdom, as Premils imagine. You keep presenting Zechariah 14 I support for your opinion of Revelation 20, yes you have not been able to present a detailed comparison between Zechariah 14 and Revelation 20 (the two main often-presented Premil proof texts)...
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    22 major reasons to abandon the Premil doctrine

    I did not say it didn't. I was specifically speaking about the non-mention of the number "one," which most Premils miss.
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    22 major reasons to abandon the Premil doctrine

    You are totally missing the thrust. There it is absolutely nothing here to do with a future age, but time in the here-and-now. This text simply indicates the briefness of time with God. 2 Peter 3 does not in any way indicate a future earthly millennium kingdom anywhere in this reading. In fact...
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    22 major reasons to abandon the Premil doctrine

    No. Not men's doctrines, biblical Christianity. Christ ushered in the kingdom of God when He came. Jesus said in Matthew 11:12, “from the days of John the Baptist until now the kingdom of heaven suffereth (biazo) violence, and the (biastes) violent take it by force.” Jesus said, in Luke 16:16...
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    22 major reasons to abandon the Premil doctrine

    To insist on a literal rendering, this word needs prefixed by a number to denote exact value. However, in the case of 2 Peter 3 and Revelation 20 no number precedes the word chilia thus leaving it indefinite. There are no grounds therefore to insist it represents a literal “one thousand” and no...
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    22 major reasons to abandon the Premil doctrine

    Please note, Revelation does not say “one thousand” as you are suggesting but “a thousand.” The term “one thousand” is only found once in Scripture in Isaiah 30:17. The phrase “a thousand” is repeatedly presented in Scripture as a symbolic phrase to describe a large undefined number. 1, 10, 100...
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    22 major reasons to abandon the Premil doctrine

    You have addressed nothing. I suspect you know that by your frustrated and offensive language. You present these passages as support for your opinion of Rev 20 yet show us nowhere where they mention some supposed future millennium. I have no difficulty addressing Zechariah 14:16-19 Matthew...
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    22 major reasons to abandon the Premil doctrine

    I have to disagree. I refer you back to the literal rendering of the passage that i presented. There is only one NHNE, and it is perfect. There is no millennium mentioned there. You have to force it into the text.