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Don't post scriptures without commentary. I don't know how you think this supports your theory about a secret rapture before the tribulation. Jesus was not talking about the tribulation there, He was talking about escaping His wrath. I thought you knew how to differentiate between the...

You interpret scripture just like the natural man and it shows in your carnal interpretations. How about you put your money where your mouth is and tell us how you interpret the passages related to this thread?

How about not just reading the threat title and reading the actual post as well?

What do you mean by this?

Not at all. You don't understand why heaven is silent at the 7th seal. It's because Jesus, the souls of the dead in Christ and His angels have left heaven at that point, leaving it empty and silent. That isn't farfetched at all and lines up with the rest of scripture. Your false 2 rapture theory...

That is only in relation to His BODILY ascension and has nothing to do with His spirit. He committed His spirit to the Father upon His death, so His spirit went to heaven before He ascended there bodily. His spirit reunited with His body when His body was resurrected and He later bodily ascended...

Yes, let's keep looking for the truth (John 14:6) while he keeps looking for fairy tales to come true.

Sorry, but in terms of being part of the church, one's gender did not mean anything. Having different roles in the church is different than what qualified someone to be in the church. In that sense there was no distinction between Jews and Gentiles or males and females. You're trying to say...

Paul was not saying to follow him, he was saying to follow his teaching about following Christ the way he did.

How does this prove the idea of a secret rapture before the tribulation? That verse only proves that we don't know when it will occur. Once it does occur there will be nothing secret about it. Acts 1:11 Which also said, Ye men of Galilee, why stand ye gazing up into heaven? this same Jesus...

Your 2 rapture theory is a fairytale. There is absolutely nothing written anywhere in scripture to suggest that there will be 2 raptures. You just make these baseless claims and think you have proven something without doing anything at all to actually back them up. It's ridiculous.

That is correct, so do you think maybe in places where you think it's talking about national Israel it might be talking about the Israel of God that consists only of those who have faith instead, including Jew and Gentile believers?

John is not talking to Israel in Revelation 1:5-6, he was talking to those who were in churches consistent of Jew and Gentile believers in the ancient Roman province of Asia. That Roman province doesn't even exist anymore, so how could he have been writing to future churches? You couldn't...

What does that mean? Do you believe there is no such thing as the church? How do you interpret this passage: Romans 9:6 It is not as though God’s word had failed. For not all who are descended from Israel are Israel. 7 Nor because they are his descendants are they all Abraham’s children. On...

That makes no sense whatsoever since 2 Peter 3:8-9 has absolutely nothing to do with the thousand years of Revelation 20. Neither do I, but it's nothing new for Premills to believe something that makes no sense whatsoever. Right.

Yes, it is. Tell me exactly who has claimed that the church has replaced Israel.

2 Peter 3:8-9 has absolutely nothing to do with the thousand years of Revelation 20. It has a completely different context. That passage shows how the Lord looks at things from an eternal perspective. A day and a thousand years make no difference to Him at all. Because of that, no one can say He...

Did you not read the original post? I did not say that all premills believe that and specifically pointed that out. I specifically pointed out that this thread was directed only at the premills who do believe that. And, there are plenty who do because I've seen that. I don't need to quote them...

Why would the judgment of all people that He references in those verses not include anyone who was resurrected? You use so many words to say nothing. Who are the ones being judged if none of them were resurrected? You're so vague about everything. Do you have something against being specific...