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  1. Spiritual Israelite

    Why do Premillennialists not believe that 1 Thessalonians 5:2-3 and 2 Peter 3:10-13 refer to the same event?

    Mot premils here don't understand amil, so they attribute false labels to amil like "replacement theology". Who exactly do you think we have being replaced and who replaces them? We see the church as being the spiritual Israel of God and we see it as being a separate entity entirely from...
  2. Spiritual Israelite

    Jesus answered, “My kingdom is not of this world. If My kingdom were of this world, My servants would fight, so a 1000 yr reign on this earth is false

    That's a ridiculous comment to make. We all know there is some figurative text in scripture, so seeing something as figurative does not mean "one could make anything in scripture figurative to uphold any doctrine". I'm sure you believe the east with seven heads and ten horns is figurative...
  3. Spiritual Israelite

    Surely Premils must invent 2 future glorifications days and 2 future raptures separated by 1000 years+?

    This is such a weak argument. Explain why God, who is a Spirit, can be alive without a body, but not a human being? But, what are you even saying here? Are you making the argument that the soul and spirit can't be alive without the body? How is that not a description of soul sleep when that is...
  4. Spiritual Israelite

    Surely Premils must invent 2 future glorifications days and 2 future raptures separated by 1000 years+?

    Clearly, a number of people as the sand of the sea will die at the end of Satan's little season when fire comes down upon them as shown in Revelation 20:9. What do you do with that? You are every bit as "hysterical, arrogant and argumentative" as you think I am, so you are being hypocritical...
  5. Spiritual Israelite

    Jesus and Peter taught that the earth will be destroyed unexpectedly on the day Jesus returns just as the earth was destroyed in Noah's day

    Paul also wrote about the day of the Lord that will come as a thief in the night. So, I assume you think that the following passage refers to the same event as 2 Peter 3:10-12 that you think is local to Israel? 1 Thessalonians 5:2 For yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord so cometh...
  6. Spiritual Israelite

    Jesus and Peter taught that the earth will be destroyed unexpectedly on the day Jesus returns just as the earth was destroyed in Noah's day

    He's not reiterating the same idea twice. In verse 10 he begins to expand on the idea he first presented in verse 7 with more detail about the event he referenced there. He paused in between to point out that the Lord is not being slow to bring about the renewal of the heavens and earth by fire...
  7. Spiritual Israelite

    The Coming Rapture

    You speak total nonsense. I was quoting the Bible and showing what it says in the Bible. You ignore what it says in the Bible about what will happen to those who will say "Lord, Lord, open to us" when Jesus comes. You won't even address those scriptures from the Bible that I used to support my...
  8. Spiritual Israelite

    Jesus answered, “My kingdom is not of this world. If My kingdom were of this world, My servants would fight, so a 1000 yr reign on this earth is false

    Yes, exactly, but the text itself does not say that. It's something you discern using common sense. Revelation 20:7 And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison, 8 And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog, and...
  9. Spiritual Israelite

    Jesus answered, “My kingdom is not of this world. If My kingdom were of this world, My servants would fight, so a 1000 yr reign on this earth is false

    Isaiah 65:20 is figurative. It refers to a 100 year old being thought of as being a child which is a figurative way of indicating that the person doesn't age at all, which represents eternity when no one will age because of being immortal. So, you believe in two new heavens and two new earths...
  10. Spiritual Israelite

    Surely Premils must invent 2 future glorifications days and 2 future raptures separated by 1000 years+?

    I actually agree with what you're saying, but it says there will be no more death at that point (Rev 21:4). Why do you guys have death occurring after that?
  11. Spiritual Israelite

    Surely Premils must invent 2 future glorifications days and 2 future raptures separated by 1000 years+?

    I could not care less about that. That just means you're not the only one believing in something that makes no sense. You have the choice to be neither Premil nor Amil til you get this all figured out, if you ever do. Why do you feel the need to commit to either one when you are not fully...
  12. Spiritual Israelite

    Surely Premils must invent 2 future glorifications days and 2 future raptures separated by 1000 years+?

    Conscious, but not alive? That's complete nonsense. This is why I say you believe in soul sleep because you say the soul without a body is not alive. That's what soul sleep means. Jesus said that God is the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob and that He is not the God of the dead, but of the...
  13. Spiritual Israelite

    Surely Premils must invent 2 future glorifications days and 2 future raptures separated by 1000 years+?

    Why are you convinced at all that Premil is the correct position when you have to resort to claiming that "the thousand years are the first thousand years of the NHNE" despite Revelation 21 saying that the there is no death on the new earth? Clearly, there is death during the thousand years and...
  14. Spiritual Israelite

    Surely Premils must invent 2 future glorifications days and 2 future raptures separated by 1000 years+?

    That's often the problem with you and me. We look at everything very differently. While 1 Cor 15:50-54 indicates that the glorification (change of the body to be immortal) happens "in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, in my view it still happens right after their bodies are resurrected...
  15. Spiritual Israelite

    Surely Premils must invent 2 future glorifications days and 2 future raptures separated by 1000 years+?

    I'm not seeing that he changed the order. He said he understands the placement of the punctuation differently than you do. There's no punctuation in the original Hebrew text. LOL! This response is not shocking at all. You just dismiss every valid argument that I make. It's a joke. You try to...
  16. Spiritual Israelite

    Surely Premils must invent 2 future glorifications days and 2 future raptures separated by 1000 years+?

    Talking to preterists is just painful. Let me word the question a different way. Do you agree that Isaiah 65:17-25 and Revelation 21:1-5 speak of the same new heavens and new earth?
  17. Spiritual Israelite

    Surely Premils must invent 2 future glorifications days and 2 future raptures separated by 1000 years+?

    Okay, Mr. Premil Representative. Blah blah blah. Nothing but hot air from you. So, do you believe that the souls of dead people are conscious and alive or not? You can't seem to make up your mind on what you believe about soul sleep. Just because God is able to destroy the soul doesn't mean he...
  18. Spiritual Israelite

    The Four Stages of Mankind's Redemption:

    You are dodging the point here. Did you think I wouldn't notice that? You are butchering and twisting what Jesus said. Do you believe that God is the God of the living souls of bodily dead believers like Abraham, Isaac and Jacob? Or do you think He is only their God when they are bodily alive...
  19. Spiritual Israelite

    Surely Premils must invent 2 future glorifications days and 2 future raptures separated by 1000 years+?

    LOL. More nonsense from the puffed up with pride Zao is life. Are you unable to respond to what I actually said? Does "most" mean "all" to you? Are you paranoid? You must be a narcissist to think that I was talking about you when I actually was talking about Premills who do not take the time to...