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why not just accept each other's viewpoints as each person trying their best to bear good fruit and live lives in Christ and pleasing in sight to the Lord? The whole sweetness of this I get... That is not how debates go. That is not even how discussions go. Everybody has the right to believe...

Then I assume you will not be sinning a lot.

The devil speaks a subtle language....you can eat the fruit, you will not die....you can sin all you want and still go to heaven. The words are there Precious blood of Christ Blessed Good Shepherd Grace Abundant life glorifies... But still the message is trying to get people to believe that...

I am assuming that you know that being perfect and being perfected are two different things.

I am not suggesting high and mighty....be good and do good, the best you can. No we are the light of the world....you see this is all a new religious belief. If the early Christians took the attitude that there was something wrong with being good or trying to be good...history would have...

The Bible does say that. And if you think you can be perfect I support your effort in that regard but as you quoted, all fall short of the glory of God. The religious literary style of the New Testament is hard to master. Every person will talk to both ends of the extreme.

You are way off here. Christ is our example....are we to set our own example....poor character and sinful lifestyles....so that people look at Christians and thing....their God must be the God of evil. Example....no pride....no boast. Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least...

Salutations Victory... There is no show. There is no prize. We cannot be prefect. Good does not get you to heaven just what the followers of Christ do. I hate to bring up logic but....the followers of a good and perfect God....would they attempt to obey, would they attempt to be good. good...

Not at all.

All cool. We can get back at it later....thanks

It is the topic of the thread. No. Well don't judge. And I agree with that saying. Yeap I am still asking it. And it is a valid question. Now for some humor I will bring up a comedian. I don't know if you remember Sam Kinison about world hunger I cannot copy it in here because he does some...

Too stacked...one or two at a time.

Are you talking about not paying attention to the commandments of men? This conversation runs from Titus 1:10-16 mostly and Titus 1:16 is very relevant to this topic. Titus 1:14 Not giving heed to Jewish fables, and commandments of men, that turn from the truth. True we do not know the issues...

Sorry the site made a milk shake of my response....trying reconstruct it now. Lets not stack the responses the site cannot handle it.

This is another debate; Christ was talking to the Jews about the Mosaic Law and if you reread these verses closely you will see that is a summery of the Mosaic Law.

LOL He has to take both. And we have to deal with both. That part is easy....most of the time....that between them and Christ....unless one of these sin and sin some more fellows that think they are going to heaven....rape a loved one....then things go south. Hey I like this....ok we are...

Who here is talking about losing their salvation...saved is saved and Christian are always Christians. So no one loses their salvation. But on Judgment Day Christians can be judged to hell. Heaven will not be full of evil.

I am going to respond, but I am not sure what you are getting at. Let me make my own question and if that is not it you can clarify. Grailhunter, what do you have against OSAS? Some people come to Christianity with broken lives and sinful lifestyles and they really do not know that much about...

Are you talking about not paying attention to the commandments of men? True we do not know the issues that Paul was dealing with. And we are not Paul....and regardless the New Testament doesn't give any examples of Christ or the Apostles living lives of sin. Now Matthew, a tax collector and...

@Wynona @farouk @FHII What sins do you think are the hardest to avoid? Now the reason I ask this is that I know people may have issues with obedience in some areas. The Christian walk. But I don't want to see people struggling with man-made sins...when the focus should be on biblical sins...