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Retrobyter said: "I think that we're mostly on the same page with all this, except you seem to see that group of "unbelieving children of the Kingdom" as permanently locked out for the duration of the Millennium. I believe it is much more flexible than that. Furthermore, I don't think the group...

The great earthquake in Jerusalem at Christ's coming... Rev 11:13 13 And the same hour was there a great earthquake, and the tenth part of the city fell, and in the earthquake were slain of men seven thousand: and the remnant were affrighted, and gave glory to the God of heaven. (KJV)...

I don't believe everything Trekson offered in his original post. I'm not Pre-Wrath nor Pre-Trib. We are going to be here for the tribulation because there's work for us to do for Christ. And unless we die first, we will remain here on earth through the time of God's wrath upon the wicked also...

Wrong. God's two witnesses finish their testimony at the ending of the LAST HALF of Daniel's "one week". The 6th Trumpet - 2nd Woe period flows all the way from Rev.9:13 to Rev.11:14, with the final 7th Trumpet - 3rd Woe signaling the time of Christ's coming to gather His Church and end the...

The day of The Lord comes when the northern armies out of the northern quarters come upon Israel to destroy per Ezekiel 38 & 39. That... is when Christ will step in and destroy those armies. That's when God's consuming fire will burn the elements of man's works off this earth, and when we shall...

The particular matter we're talking about involves the endtime events of the coming tribulation. Many have been blinded away from those events per God's Word, which is what Apostle Paul's "falling away" of 2 Thess.2 is also about. Or have you forgotten our Lord Jesus' parable of the ten...

Sorry, but I see wormwood's whole presentation as a complete un-Biblical flop. And I will issue this warning, careful of how you use the word 'illumination' in these kind of matters, for the occultists also use that word illumination to point to their ideas of being enlightened by some hidden...

Yes. Not all, but enough. The multitudes followed after Christ Jesus too, but like Jesus said to His disciples when they asked Him why He spoke to them in parables, He said for the multitudes, it is not given for them to know the Mysteries of the Kingdom. They are not given eyes to see and ears...

I've got more to add to that... Ezek 8:2-5 2 Then I beheld, and lo a likeness as the appearance of fire: from the appearance of His loins even downward, fire; and from His loins even upward, as the appearance of brightness, as the colour of amber. 3 And He put forth the form of an hand...

You quote a Bible passage, but then begin speaking Greek philosophy, even off the main topic of this thread, so what gives? Are you trying to counter just so you can try to be right? Is that all God's Truth means to you? I'll make it easy for you... Where in God's Word is it written that...

You mean you don't like the 7 signs that Christ gave His CHURCH about the events of the very end per Matt.24? They just happen to be the same signs He gave in Rev.6 with the seals. But oh yeah, you're part of that Preterist crowd if I recall, the group of MEN's doctrines that believe the...

It's not really about whether they will listen to me or not. Our Heavenly Father only can cause them to understand. When He calls us to plant His seeds of His Truth in His Word, then that's what we are to do, regardless of their reactions. I have no problem doing that for I know that when the...

Retroybyter said: "I was almost finding myself agreeing with you ... for a while. All of His believers, whether Jews, Isra'elites, or Gentiles, will indeed be "gathered together" to Him in Yerushalayim, Yisra'el, during the Millennium, and that is the very definition of "church": a "called-out...

He is right on that point though. The apostasia Paul mentioned is especially upon the deceived of God's people, for they are the ones who mattered most to Paul, and should to us. Does Apostle Paul go into great detail about that apostasia being upon the deceived in Christ's Body there in 2...

Like Benjamin Franklin said, "Those who cannot be counseled cannot be helped." God's Word as written is the counsel, and the Pre-Trib Rapture School has refrained from following it to their own destruction.

Lev 23:5-7 5 In the fourteenth day of the first month at even is the LORD's passover. 6 And on the fifteenth day of the same month is the feast of unleavened bread unto the LORD: seven days ye must eat unleavened bread. 7 In the first day ye shall have an holy convocation: ye shall do...

Just because there's much that you don't know (which you should if you claim to be a Christian under Christ Jesus), that's no reason for you to get jealous too.

No, it's about ALL of Christ's Church on earth WITH Jesus upon Mount Zion, IN JERUSALEM ON EARTH. For Jerusalem on earth is WHERE Jesus is returning to. The believers of the ten lost tribes will be gathered with... the believers of the house of Judah there in Jerusalem under Christ, along with...

The point that Enoch2010 is making is correct. In 1 Thess.4 Paul said that we alive who remain shall not precede (KJV "prevent") those alseep who have died in Christ. Paul also said there for us to not worrry about those who have died in Christ that sleep in Jesus, for He will bring them WITH...

Lamad said: "Sorry, Veteran, but even if you say taken or removed from the midst, you totally have missed the intent of the author. Let's look again, since you did not see the first time." All those different... Bible translations are just deceiving you. Try taking that Scripture back to the...