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  1. Wrangler

    Soul Sleep yes or no?

    So then, we must differentiate between the mortal and immortal soul. I don't agree with your premise. The immortal soul concept is there in Genesis, the very reason we were not to eat the forbidden fruit. Anyway, I'm a proponent of soul sleep but do admit there are verses to support both sides.
  2. Wrangler

    Hi everybody. . .

    Welcome to the forums. No one likes endless debates. Not even me, Wrangler. LOL. Debates have their place per "iron sharpens iron" but there is the theory and there is the practice. At work recently, there has been a raging debate over a process innovation called "bump." It's interesting to...
  3. Wrangler

    A serious questions for the Jehovah's Witnesses on these threads.

    Aunty Jane, This is a very well thought out post, as so many of your posts are. And I want to thank you for that. I know you take the time to be through in your answers. There is something about it that I don't agree with. Because I've been traveling, I doubt I'll be able to get to it until...
  4. Wrangler

    Removed Thread.

    Hmmm. The question is; are your expectations aligned with God’s? It’s a genuine trial to be tested by the living God.
  5. Wrangler

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    Creation is subordinate to doing something contradictory. The question stems from taking out of context, ‘with God, all things are possible.’ God would not act to contradict his own nature. We should not be tempted to assert the indefensible, including the notion that anything, including God...
  6. Wrangler

    A serious questions for the Jehovah's Witnesses on these threads.

    Indeed. She also mentioned telling someone they can get them something for Mother's Day. My wife did that this weekend. Being my wife, she is not my mother. Being my 2nd wife, she is not the mother of my child. Yet, I take joy in using the occassion to celebrate her being a mother. This line of...
  7. Wrangler

    A serious questions for the Jehovah's Witnesses on these threads.

    No one. You objected to birthday's on the grounds that they were selfish and promoted a lack of humility. Now, you are pivoting from Weddings not also being selfish and promoting a lack of humility to being non-Pagan. This tells me the whole criticism of birthday's based on making you cringe...
  8. Wrangler

    A serious questions for the Jehovah's Witnesses on these threads.

    No one is denying that one can express love any or every day. No one is claiming just these days. It's AND. And also express love on special days on the calendar that mark milestones in a persons life. And it is NOT a commercial object; it is living a joyous and celebratory life! There is...
  9. Wrangler

    A serious questions for the Jehovah's Witnesses on these threads.

    On a different aspect of a serious question for JW is leaving. Last year, @Aunty Jane and I talked about my SIL's experience. You said he could formally leave. I had the opportunity to talk to him about that this weekend at a party. He said the process is called reproving, which has the same...
  10. Wrangler

    A serious questions for the Jehovah's Witnesses on these threads.

    You need to read and understand the New Covenant. 6 But in fact the ministry Jesus has received is as superior to theirs as the covenant of which he is mediator is superior to the old one, since the new covenant is established on better promises. For if there had been nothing wrong with that...
  11. Wrangler

    A serious questions for the Jehovah's Witnesses on these threads.

    You have no horse in this race? You are deceiving yourself. Loving others is EXACTLY what the Bible teaches. Embracing the customs of others is EXACTLY what the Bible teaches! When it is convenient for your doctrine, you abandon the freedom in Christ of the new covenant and pretend like Gentiles...
  12. Wrangler

    A serious questions for the Jehovah's Witnesses on these threads.

    What do you mean there is no such thing in the Bible? I just provided 2 precedents - Gentile Christians could keep eating certain foods and not undergo circumcision. It's like you are advocating some kind of ascethic like style, not required by Christ. We are not saved by what we do but by...
  13. Wrangler

    A serious questions for the Jehovah's Witnesses on these threads.

    By only the Jews. And it does not apply to celebrating birthdays.
  14. Wrangler

    A serious questions for the Jehovah's Witnesses on these threads.

    Your hateful opposition to love others is palpable. You got it all backwards. Generally speaking, occasions are for a personal milestone a loved one has reached. Each person has these special occasions - including birthdays. Most people consider a wedding to also be that persons special day...
  15. Wrangler

    A serious questions for the Jehovah's Witnesses on these threads.

    Friend, the only need is liberty. Even Bibles are given on an occasion recorded inside. I like to tell people I got my wife a matching watch on the occasion of our wedding.
  16. Wrangler

    A serious questions for the Jehovah's Witnesses on these threads.

    Again, God does not forbid us celebrating birthdays. You know the OT covenant does not apply to us. Obviously, you don’t want to answer the question of what is the motivation people have to celebrate the life of one by celebrating their birthday: love or malevolence. This reveals you know the...
  17. Wrangler

    A serious questions for the Jehovah's Witnesses on these threads.

    That covenant does not apply to us and was replaced by a better one that made the old obsolete.
  18. Wrangler

    A serious questions for the Jehovah's Witnesses on these threads.

    Probably has something to do with slandering fellow Christians who celebrate birthdays as being true demon worshipers.
  19. Wrangler

    A serious questions for the Jehovah's Witnesses on these threads.

    Yes. If anything, brushing one’s teeth is even more significant of non-biblically authorized action since it is done daily while celebrating a birthday is only done annually. While you are quick to judge my argument as weak, you fail to acknowledge the weakness of your own arguments. It’s not...
  20. Wrangler

    A serious questions for the Jehovah's Witnesses on these threads.

    Well, we all understand you don’t think it is a good argument. And I agree that a command from God to do a thing is a stronger argument than the absence of a prohibition against a thing. Yet, there it is. I suppose it is a question of liberty. Are we only allowed to do what we are specifically...