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We're not saying anyone else came from heaven, we're saying the souls of the dead in Christ are in heaven now. Where else did John see the souls of the dead except in heaven? Revelation 6:9 And when he had opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of them that were slain for the...

Why do you act as if He said no one had ever gone into heaven except Him at that point and no one else ever would? That's not what He said.

Don't ask dumb questions. There is no false doctrine in scripture itself. What do you think I would say, "Yes, that's false doctrine"? Get a clue. As of the time He said that, which was before His death and resurrection, it was true that no one else had gone to heaven. But, the souls of the dead...

I believe the souls of the dead in Christ are in heaven, not their bodies. John saw them there. Revelation 6:9 And when he had opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of them that were slain for the word of God, and for the testimony which they held: 10 And they cried with a loud...

Ah, here we go. Now we can see why you disagree with amil. You believe in the false doctrine of soul sleep. Naturally, no one who believes in soul sleep will agree that the souls of the dead in Christ reign with Christ in heaven. The second death has no power over the dead in Christ right now...

Why can you not answer straightforward questions with straightforward answers? Am I asking too much? I'll try one more time. At what point does it become true that the second death no longer has power over someone? When we're born again? When we're bodily resurrected? Please just answer the...

So, is it your view that the second death has power over the souls of the dead in Christ who are in heaven right now then since you say it's not until the last trumpet when our bodies are changed that the second death no longer has power over us? Do you think it's still possible for the dead in...

Nonsense. In the case of those who are dead, at least, it's already determined what their eternal destiny will be. For the second death to have power over someone means that their eventual eternal destiny is the lake of fire. So, the question I'm asking is, at what point can it be said that...

It's strange to me that a premil would try to use Luke 20:35-36 to support their doctrine since it does not. Let's take a closer look at it. Luke 20:34 Jesus replied, “The people of this age marry and are given in marriage. 35 But those who are considered worthy of taking part in the age to...

Why are you telling me this as if I said otherwise or as if I didn't already know this? Why is it that you can't answer simple, straightforward questions with straightforward answers? Again.... At what point does it become true that the second death no longer has power over someone? Wouldn't...

No one here claims that being born again of the Holy Spirit replaces the future resurrection of the body at the last day. Those who are born again of the Holy Spirit and physically die and be bodily resurrected in the future at the last day and will bodily inherit the kingdom of God for eternity...

At what point does it become true that the second death no longer has power over someone? Wouldn't that be at the point in time that someone has part in the first resurrection since it says "Blessed and holy is he who has part in the first resurrection. Over such the second death has no power"...

Again, I see no mention of John 5:24-25 or John 5:28-29 there just as there wasn't in post 233. So that I don't have to guess, can you please just answer my simple question? Do you believe that John 5:28-29 is about the bodily resurrection of the dead or not?

Nowhere in post 233 did you even mention John 5:24-25 or John 5:28-29 which is what I was asking you about. So, let me ask you again. Do you believe that John 5:28-29 is about the bodily resurrection of the dead or not? We agree that John 5:24-25 is related to being born again and going from...

It's really difficult to get premils to acknowledge the obvious, which is that it's not being bodily resurrected from the dead that makes it so that the second death has no power over us. I believe Revelation 20:6 indicates that one MUST have part in the first resurrection in order for the...

Why are you not addressing anything I said about John 5:24-25 and John 5:28-29? I was talking about the contrast being John 5:24-25 and John 5:28-29 and you didn't specifically address that at all. Why? Do you deny that John 5:28-29 is referring to the bodily resurrection of the dead or not...

I know what you meant. You think I don't know what you believe by now? That is more important than Christ's resurrection? No. Without Christ's resurrection, the resurrection of the dead in Christ would not be possible. Okay...? How is that "bizarre nonsense" when it says we are priests of God...

Wrong answer! Do you think that the second death has power over you right now? If so, then do you not believe you belong to Christ? How can the second death have power over those who belong to Christ who promises eternal life to those who believe in Him? How about the souls of the dead in...

Do you see no distinction between John 5:24-25 and John 5:28-29? Do you think Jesus just repeated in John 5:28-29 what He had already just said in John 5:24-25? In John 5:24-25, Jesus was talking about what you're talking about here. Being made spiritually alive after previously beeing dead in...

At what point exactly do you believe it becomes true that the second death has no power over someone? Whatever your answer to that question is, it should be taken into account when interpreting Revelation 20:6.