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I always say that whenever I see someone acting as if one's end times doctrine is a determining factor in salvation. It is not. Good for you. LOL. I'm not out looking to bicker with people. I'm always trying to get pre-tribs to just discuss and exegete scripture and they inevitably start...

If you want to completely ignore the format of the book of Revelation, that's your choice. Do you apply your literal, historical, grammatical method to passages like this one: John 5:28 Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice, 29...

He stopped there because he cherry picks the scriptures that he's able to make say what he wants them to say while ignoring the rest. The true mark of a cult member who denies the deity of Christ.

I'm obviously not arguing against any of that, but we just have to be careful about judging/condemning someone for believing pre-trib. I know pre-tribs who are just ignorant about end times scriptures, but they love Jesus and serve Him faithfully. Some of them really don't spend much time even...

I don't know how many times now that I've asked them to present a coherent argument using scripture to support pre-trib and they never do. Not because they won't, but because they can't.

LOL. Such nonsense that obviously isn't taught anywhere in scripture. Jesus is Christ. The Lord is God. You trying to differentiate like this is a complete joke. You can apply this verse to your own lack of understanding of the things we're talking about. It does not do that anywhere. You have...

Of course. And what is required from us? Repentance and faith, right? Not believing the correct end times doctrine. Then why do you reference Revelation 22:18-19 as if it applies to pre-tribs? At least, that's how it came across. Anyone who adds to the book of Revelation will experience God's...

Prove that it's true then. I have yet to see one single strong, coherent argument from a pre-trib to support that doctrine. Can you be the first to do so? Please do if you can.

Of course not. I'm not disagreeing with his post-trib doctrine. I'm post-trib as well. I disagree with condemning anyone for their end times beliefs. None of us here believe that any believer will experience God's wrath, so it's not as if some are saying we will and some are saying we won't.

Yes, pre-trib is a false doctrine, but can you show me where salvation is dependent on whether someone is pre-trib or post-trib? I don't see that taught in scripture anywhere. I have a problem with someone acting as if someone's end times doctrine is a determining factor in whether or not they...

If you insist on being foolish and ignoring what Paul actually wrote, that's on you. But, he clearly included the Gentiles as being part of what Hosea 1:10 is about. Romans 9:24 Even us, whom he hath called, not of the Jews only, but also of the Gentiles? 25 As he saith also in Osee, I will...

Can you answer the questions I asked in my post? We might be on the same page in the sense that we're looking at the same passage, but we are not on the same page in terms of what we're talking about. You referenced other verses and are saying Revelation is for everyone. I'm not debating that...

There is no difference between being in Jesus and being in Christ. That is the most ludicrous claim I've ever seen about anything in my entire life. I guess you don't want to be taken seriously if you have to resort to that level of nonsense to keep your doctrine afloat. Doing ludicrous things...

You are not interested in defending your doctrine against any challenges. You expect to just come here and have everyone agree with you? Don't be so naive. Grow up.

As if I care. You consider what you've posted to be exhaustive? You can't be serious. You have very low standards for what is required to prove your points. Your arguments are extremely weak.

You seriously don't understand what I said when I said this: It means what it says, as you pre-tribs like to say. I don't know how to word it any other way. I'm saying you don't know what you're talking about and lack wisdom, so I asked you politely to ask God for wisdom, like it talks about in...

Nothing we haven't seen before, but it's just sad to see. I don't know why people like that come here. She thinks she can just make claims, offer weak arguments, and everyone has to agree or else she won't talk to them? Such nonsense. The childishness of all the pre-tribs here is truly...

LOL. You have defined what your false teachers have fed you. That is obvious. Please ask God for wisdom and stop following after false teachers (James 1:5-7).

We're not on the same page here, buddy. We're talking about completely different things. Please slow down and pay attention to what I'm actually saying. I'm simply saying that if you say that pre-tribs are either purposely adding to or purposely taking away from the book of Revelation, then they...

Read Revelation 22:18-19 again. That passage is applying God's wrath to anyone who adds to the book and takes someone's name out of the book of life if they take away from it. You are applying that passage to pre-tribs and accusing them of adding to and/or taking away from the book of...