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LOL. This is rich coming from you when you never exegete any scripture and never present a coherent argument showing exactly how you interpret the Bible. All you have is opinions. You think that's enough. It's not. How many times have we asked you to actually quote sciripture and show exactly...

I didn't say that. Why would the saints want the beast's kingdom, which is evil? No, the kingdom of Christ is given to the saints. The beast's kingdom is destroyed. But, I know from what you said in another post that we're not really getting anywhere because you don't recognize that Daniel...

Yep, you make the same mistake many others do, but there's no question that Daniel 7:13-14 is about His ascension. You see the reference to Him coming with the clouds of heaven and that immediately makes you think of Matthew 24:30 and Revelation 1:7. But, you fail to notice where it shows Him...

Should we interpret scriptures in isolation or take all of scripture into account? Jesus gave added detail about that event that Daniel did not. You don't want to take that into consideration, but you should. The NT often gives us added detail and clarification of events described in the OT.

That's very obvious to most of us, but I have noticed that obvious things escape his understanding quite often.

His post had nothing to do with a pre-trib rapture one way or another. Are you paranoid? Where did you get that from what he said?

A discussion about Bible doctrine should include using passages from the Bible to back up your opinions. Which you don't seem to ever do. You apparently think your opinions are the word of God and are on the same level as scripture itself.

It's not just a resurrection of Israel, it's a resurrection of all dead people, as Jesus indicated in John 5:28-29. We're so far apart on all this that it's pointless to even continue discussing it.

You think 1 Thess 5:2-3 and 2 Peter 3:10-12 are describing destruction that results from war? Where does it indicate that? I'm certain those are talking about God's wrath, not the result of war.

Yes, but I'm sure we disagree on what that means. Do you understand that the visions described in Daniel 7:2-14 are explained in verses 17-27? If so, then would you agree that Daniel 7:27 is an explanation of what Daniel 7:13-14 is about? If so, then do you understand that Daniel 7:13-14 refers...

You need to put your money where your mouth is or shut up. I'm tired of you making claims without backing them up. If our interpretation of 2 Peter 3:10-12, then tell me how that passage should be interpreted. You can't be taken seriously by claiming that his interpretation and Amils...

You are not reading that passage very carefully. John 5:28 Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice, 29 And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the...

There's nothing to see. You don't bother taking the time to show why exactly you believe what you do. You never quote scripture and exegete it and you are just like most of the rest of pretribs in that way. You do nothing to show how exactly you come to your conclusions. You think your opinions...

Now, this is where these discussions get to be frustrating. Are you under the impression that WPM and those, like me, who have the same belief as him believe the rapture/resurrection will occur after the wrath that Paul wrote about in 1 Thess 5:9? That is not what we believe. Of course believers...

You're just giving opinions without supporting them with scripture which is useless and pointless. Prove your view with scripture.

I don't see it as referring to their physical, bodily resurrection and instead see it as referring to those who spiritually have part in Christ's resurrection, which was the first resurrection unto bodily immortality (Acts 26:23, 1 Cor 15:20). But, in terms of those who have part in the first...

It tells me that you are arrogant and think God reveals some truth only to you. You're not alone in that arrogant way of thinking here. There's plenty of lone wolves here who have some beliefs all to themselves while thinking that God reveals some truths only to them. Amillennialism is the...

Yes, that's what you believe, but you don't understand that your belief contradicts other scripture which teaches that all of the dead, saved and lost, will be resurrected at the same time. John 5:28 Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear...

But, they don't have the same amount of detail (only Mark 13:27 references the elect being gathered from the uttermost part of the earth which Matt 24:31 does not include), so how do you come to that conclusion? You conclude that 1 Thess 4:14-17 isn't the same event as Matthew 24:30-31 for no...

No one claims that those who have part in the first resurrection are not in Christ, so you're arguing with a strawman in that sense. What some of us differ with you premils about is not who has part in the first resurrection, but rather what it means exactly for those who are in Christ to have...