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Your wrong. Jesus established it with the apostles.. It did not take almost 5 centuries for hm to complete the church or the word. The reason many say it is 4th century is because that is when the church was pagan i zed, and stopped being the church Jesus created

he calls it by grace, then says we must finish the race. Thats not grace at all

Same could be said of you

1 scripture? Jesus said in in John 3 John 4, John 5, he said it a few times in John 6. John the baptist said it in John 3. John the apostle said it in his book twice.. It is not standing alone.. It is said over and over. So you can not be right in your interpretation or Jesus lied.

Jesus said they will never die.. many times (he did not say they may never die, he said they will) He said they have eternal life many times (he did not say they might have, he said they have) So falling away can NOT mean we fall from salvation. or else Jesus lied.. plain and simple

yes so when Jesus says the things he said through John then people say after jesus words someone can lose their salvation. That is exactly what they are doing. They call Jesus a liar

You do not understand the word grace my friend it is a gift paid for by the one who is offering it You can;t say OT works do not save, but NT works do. it would still cancel out grace.. As you saw. It can be one or the other, it can not be both. Paul said we are saved by the same faith...

well he left the church. But only the bible will let us know which body that is..

If she did not have relations after. there is absolutely no need to mention she did nto have relations before. This is a nonsensical argument

the issue we have is salvation is by grace.. No one can earn it so when we start to read warnings as God saying we must do this if we want to stay saved, or do not do that or we will lose salvation we forget that again, salvation is by grace. There are many warnings about how our life and...

Oh, I am sorry, You liked her posts when she explained it. so I thought you knew. Epi had a thread on what they believe. But I guess someone reported that thread and it was removed. I will let them explain it to you

Yet they disagree with you on John. so who is right, you or them.

Amen in both old and new, it is salvation by grace through faith.. Abraham believed.. Not of works. lest he should boast

we have free will No child Born of God having experienced his unlimited love would by his free will chose to repent back to what he was before.

I just don;t get it The OT required animal sacrifice for forgiveness. But God changed his mind.. In the NT we just have to be good and ask forgiveness

If people would study John.. they would have that assurance. as he also said, I write these things to you show you may know you HAVE eternal life..

Is paul said, If Abraham was found by works, he has something to boast. For it is by GRACE we HAVE BEEN saved, through Faith. Not of works lest anyone should boast..

it must be miserable not knowing if you will make it or not..

In the end, its all faith vs works..

I certainly hope you at least shudder when you practice your NOSAS Romans 4: 4 What then shall we say that Abraham our father has found according to the flesh? 2 For if Abraham was justified by works, he has something to boast about, but not before God. 3 For what does the Scripture say...