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I consider reading the Bible a blessing, privilege and honor - not a duty. You should not have to cajole anyone to take advantage of privileges afforded us in our time. In ages past, many people could not read and even if they could, there were relatively very few books. I might have more books...

I fully agree with you Pearl. :) Yesterday I just finished reading 4 translations of the Bible, from cover to cover. But that is me. My Pastor pointed out last year that reading the whole Bible is NOT a command. In another thread, I referenced my devout Catholic grandmothers who walked with...

Bless your heart! It is not a fact but your very humble opinion. Since you are the world's foremost expert on the Bible, who could teach Jesus and God, himself a thing or two about what it contains and how to apply it, meditate on this Romans 14:1, 13, James 4:11-12. Again, I invite you to...

What a shame a simple question from a Brand NEW Christian, from a household of Atheists, leads to this vitriol. Not every thread needs to be a debate thread. Jax-y asked for opinions how best to start reading the Bible. We should be identified and known for our humility and love for one...

Of course I believe Scripture. I just don’t believe you are applying it correctly. As I wrote in post #49, This is 100% besides the point - by definition. That subsequent, replacement Apostles are ‘numbered’ in no way means the original Apostles (including Judas) are not ‘numbered.’ If you...

No. Obviously not. I have no idea why you think those verses support your claim that the Father gave Jesus the Revelation. HINT: If you cannot cite a single verse, you are missing the mark. Your repeated reference to numerous verses shows you are relying on some kind of artificial dichotomy...

Your unrelenting commitment to mysticism is noted. Given that you too are human, it necessarily follows that YOU DO NOT UNDERSTAND your own gibberish, being limited with human reasoning and all.

No one is denying the Apostles were eventually replaced. This is 100% besides the point - by definition. If you want to pretend replacements are the originals, knock yourself out.

That was basically my advice also.

I already explained why - multiple times. I also provided links that explain further. It is a matter of definition, that excludes all but those Jesus appointed.

This is wrong. ‘The twelve’ are the individuals that Jesus chose. I already provided a reference for this. And one of the individuals Jesus chose comprising ‘the twelve’ is Judas.

In this post, you claimed the Father gave Jesus the Revelation. Yet, you provided no Scripture to support that claim. See what I mean about you not answering my simple question (as I asked for a verse)? BTW, my simple question does not require paragraphs of airing grievances - or whatever you...

I completely understand. This is where the command for us to forgive comes into play. Christianity would be easy to practice, if it wasn’t for all the son-o-bitches in the world.

I finally voted "yes" for the following 6 reasons. 1. Language Usage - no qualifier for the Tribes of Israel. We don't rationalize for v12 Joseph got a double share and his son's got land grants, therefore we arbitrarily exclude the lead brother who betrayed him and add Joseph's son. When we...

They are certainly insufficient argument for Matthias and Paul due to the fact that the math does not add up. The Scripture verse explicitly says 12 Apostles. So, if you subtract Judas and add Matthias and Paul, you end up with 13. True but beside the point. The point is the text does not have...

I think Luke did make it clear. It’s just that today we tend to complicate the simple. The 3 stooges are Moe, Larry and Curly. Any talk of a replacement Stooge, Shemp, is not what is meant by the phrase. Same with the Apostles.

So, what is your rational for including Matthias but excluding Paul, Barnabas and Apollos? And I suppose more significantly, what is your rational for not including Judas?

Re-read what I wrote. Pay specific attention to our nature pre and post birth. It is, of course, a brilliant analysis, if I don't mind saying so myself. Dual natures? When donkey's fly. See what I did there? :eek:

But if you add in these 3, it does not fit with the 12 referenced in the Revelation verse. How do you reconcile that?

PUL-EASE. This is a manifest artificial dichotomy. A butterfly does not have 2 natures, before and after its cocoon phase. An argument AGAINST abortion is that a human is a human from the beginning. We are not one nature before the magical-mystical moment of birth and then another nature after...