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  1. Spiritual Israelite

    THE KING/DOM IS COMING

    Who says that it involved "mere days"? Obviously, them being "witnesses unto me both in Jerusalem, and in all Judaea, and in Samaria, and unto the uttermost part of the earth" would take years and not days. It began on the day of Pentecost, but they obviously did not preach the gospel "unto the...
  2. Spiritual Israelite

    THE KING/DOM IS COMING

    Why would it not also include OT saints who looked forward to His coming? So, you think the dead in Christ only include NT saints? When Moses and Elijah talked to Him at His transfiguration did He tell them "Sorry, guys, but you won't be inheriting eternal life in the kingdom prepared from the...
  3. Spiritual Israelite

    The absurdity of Pretrib logic

    Yes. And you are dishonest. Even after being shown that there is no such definition for the word "generation" that you use to apply to "this generation" in Matthew 24:34 (the human life span), you still insist on using your own made up definition for the word. If that isn't dishonest, I don't...
  4. Spiritual Israelite

    The absurdity of Pretrib logic

    LOL. This thread is about refuting pretrib which we have done extensively. We will not be leaving the thread that we created. LOL!
  5. Spiritual Israelite

    The absurdity of Pretrib logic

    This is utter nonsense. Jesus specifically pointed out that the flood "destroyed them all". It killed all unbelievers. And Jesus said it would be like that when He comes (Matt 24:39). So, do you have all unbelievers being killed when He comes just as happened with the flood?
  6. Spiritual Israelite

    The absurdity of Pretrib logic

    Douggg, you are very deceptive and dishonest with your handling of scripture. That is a fact. Such as the way you try to create your own definition of the word "generation" to make Matthew 24:34 say what you want it to say. And, in this example that you're responding to you, you dishonestly...
  7. Spiritual Israelite

    There are 2 tribulation periods, the “first” is to the Jews

    It says the Messiah would be cut off after the end of the 69th week. That places His death within the 70th week during which He confirmed the new covenant by way of His ministry, His death, which made the old covenant sacrifices and offerings obsolete, His resurrection and the preaching of His...
  8. Spiritual Israelite

    THE KING/DOM IS COMING

    While I wait for you to actually specifically address what I said in post #4, please tell me your understanding of Matthew 25:31-46. You agree that it's talking about something that will occur just after Jesus comes with His angels, I assume? And you agree that it shows both saved and lost...
  9. Spiritual Israelite

    THE KING/DOM IS COMING

    Address my points first and then I will address yours. How many times have I had to tell you this? I'm not interested in being the only one who addresses the other's points.
  10. Spiritual Israelite

    The absurdity of Pretrib logic

    I agree! As I have told you several times before already. But, where we differ, if you recall (do you ever remember anything we talk about?), is in our understanding of the length of the day of the Lord. We agree that it arrives after the sixth seal is opened, so we don't have to waste time...
  11. Spiritual Israelite

    The absurdity of Pretrib logic

    LOL. Stop being ignorant. It's exactly the opposite of that. To exegete scripture is to take the time to actually show exactly how you are interpreting the text without just quoting some scripture and saying what you think it means, like you do, while doing nothing to explain how you are...
  12. Spiritual Israelite

    The absurdity of Pretrib logic

    He's making multiple points. Just address one at a time if you want. He doesn't come more than once. That is simply not taught in scripture anywhere and you certainly haven't come anywhere near proving such a thing. Scripture says He will "appear the second time without sin unto salvation"...
  13. Spiritual Israelite

    THE KING/DOM IS COMING

    This is a very weak argument. Matthew 25:31-46 is about the day of judgment that will occur when He comes with His angels. He has not yet sat upon the throne of His glory to judge. What other scripture calls "the judgment seat of Christ" (Romans 14:10-12, 2 Cor 5:10). This does not mean that He...
  14. Spiritual Israelite

    The absurdity of Pretrib logic

    How about you address what he said in post #2447? You don't have to address all of it, but maybe 2 or 3 of his points, at least.
  15. Spiritual Israelite

    But shun profane and vain babblings

    LOL. A typical response of someone who denies that spiritual discernment is required to understand scripture despite Paul saying exactly that in 1 Corinthians 2:9-16. Do you deny that the Lord created time and exists outside of it? Do you understand that if time affects Him, but just in a...
  16. Spiritual Israelite

    But shun profane and vain babblings

    You posted "lol x 100000" or something similar in response to something I said that was very reasonable whether you agree with it or not. Stewardofthemystery does. Since you are a Premil like him then maybe you can try to encourage him to stop that kind of evil behavior, but he won't listen to...
  17. Spiritual Israelite

    But shun profane and vain babblings

    You continue to take scripture out of context. That verse relates directly to the verse that follows it. 2 Peter 3:8 But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day. 9 The Lord is not slack concerning his...
  18. Spiritual Israelite

    But shun profane and vain babblings

    I don't know what you're talking about and don't know what relevance this has to anything related to end times doctrine.
  19. Spiritual Israelite

    But shun profane and vain babblings

    They don't kill anyone. It's all symbolic. Do you actually think it's talking about literal fire coming out of their mouths? LOL.