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I just have to tell it like it on this one. This interpretation of Revelation 12 is terrible. The woman of Revelation 12 is not earthly Jerusalem. That's impossible. Her only children are Jesus Himself and "the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of...

I understand that some traits of mystery Babylon are similar to ancient Jerusalem, but it seems you ignored my points completely, as I don't see that you addressed them anywhere here. Jerusalem does not fit the whole description of Mystery Babylon. History did not end in 70 AD and Revelation...

Premils are always making scripture say what they want it to say. They don't take Jesus at His word when He said an hour, not hours, is coming when all the dead will be raised (John 5:28-29). They don't take Jesus at His word when He indicates that all people, saved and lost, will be gathered...

You take scripture after scripture after scripture out of context. Judgment being given to the saints is not the saints being judged. Notice they sit upon thrones. Will believers sit upon thrones to be judged? No, of course not. That doesn't make any sense. No, we will bow before the throne of...

Amils don't deny that those who are priests of God and of Christ are the ones who have part in the first resurrection. But, scripture explicitly teaches that Jesus's bodily resurrection itself was the first resurrection (1 Cor 15:20, Acts 26:23, Col 1:18, Rev 1:5), so having part in the first...

LOL!!! You are hilarious. You mean like you ignore scripture like John 5:28-29, Matthew 25:31-46 and 2 Peter 3:10-13? Or should I say you don't ignore those scriptures, you just change them to make them say what you want them to say.

LOL. You were referring to the redemption of the 144,000 firstfruits. Nowhere does it say they have been redeemed bodily yet. Scripture teaches that the bodies of the dead in Christ will all be redeemed at the same time, which will be at the last trumpet when Christ returns (1 Cor...

What scripture says the saints are judged first with the lost being judged 1,000+ years later? How does that line up with Matthew 25:31-46 which has both saints and the lost being gathered and judged at the same time? Other scriptures like Matthew 13:36-43 and Matthew 13:47-50 also have both the...

LOL. How fun. Looks like all you want to do is play scripture tag instead of addressing my points. Are you suggesting that you believe someone can only be redeemed bodily? Galatians 3:13 Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us: for it is written, Cursed is...

LOL. Are you afraid to address my point directly? You have multiple HOURS coming when the dead will be raised, but Jesus said a singular HOUR is coming when all of the dead will be raised. You are making John 5:28-29 say what you want it to say instead of accepting what Jesus actually said. As...

He didn't have to go through your multi-stage process to be saved, so that disproves what you're saying about the supposed stages of salvation as far as I'm concerned. Phooey back to you.

Where does it say they had immortal bodies? Where does Paul reference their resurrection in the passage where he gives the order of resurrections? 1 Corinthians 15:20 But now is Christ risen from the dead, and become the firstfruits of them that slept. 21 For since by man came death, by man...

Agree! How can anyone think that this: Matthew 25:41 Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels: Is a different event than this: Revelation 20:10 And the devil that deceived them was cast into...

Exactly. A doctrine should be based on clear, explicit scripture and then we should use that foundational doctrinal base to help understand more difficult and debatable scripture found in highly symbolic books like Revelation, Daniel, Isaiah and Ezekiel. Scripture explicitly teaches that Christ...

So, in John 5:28-29, when Jesus said "the HOUR is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice, and shall come forth", you think He actually meant "the HOURS are coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice, and shall come forth"?

Such as? Give me the name of any Bible commentator or teacher who says that a spiritual, incorruptible body is not immortal.

You shouldn't because you obviously have nothing to teach me. You have a belief all to yourself regarding an imaginary incorruptible, yet somehow not immortal body.

You are being childish here. I love what it is called. I also accept what scripture teaches about what the first resurrection is. You have decided to interpret Revelation 20:4-6 in isolation from the rest of scripture, but I don't do that. Scripture teaches that Jesus's resurrection was the...

Do you think anyone understands what you're saying when you try to say that an incorruptible body is not immortal?

Nowhere, of course. Jesus references only a singular coming hour when all of the dead will be resurrected, not two separate hours when the dead will be resurrected, as premils believe.