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Trinitarians seem to give no significance to evidence of fraud, in imposing trinitarian dogma onto monotheist text. It made me ask WHY, what motivated the translators to commit these forgeries? The obvious answer is the actual word of God does not support trinitarianism as much as they'd like...

Not quite right. Just harminized differently. How do you harmonize the plural pronouns here with the singular pronouns used 1,000's of other times, especially in the 1C?

You teach imposing your trinitarian dogma onto monotheist text. Being wrong doesn't have to be hard to understand.

Speculation. Here is another valid interpretation. All men exist before being born, including Jesus. Doesn't make them God.

AS IF there is any other part of Jesus. If Jesus did not die - in his entirety - then his sacrifice was in vain because Scripture tells us death is the penalty for sin - not some partial payments may be acceptable.

I don't speak or think in these terms. I'd have to research what you are specifically saying here to give an answer. Again, I don't think so. If it is not a miracle, then it reduces to a NATURAL force behind the event taking place. They way I look at such things after reading Augustin's...

Exacly what I am doing and you are not. Mark 1:1 says Jesus is the son of God. This is repeated nearly 40 times. And he is not said to be what you claim. So, you are relying on your own understanding in opposition to the actual word of God.

Double negative. The burden on proof is the one making the positive claim.

Going for the psychological attack … Seeing things that aren’t there is not a sign of mental health, my friend. Simply put there is no trinity verse, no Jesus is God and you’re damned if you don’t believe it, verse. OTOH, there are many verses that say you are not to believe the trinitarian...

It’s like you are in complete denial of agency. V1 explicitly identifies Jesus NOT as God incarnate but the son of god. Other verses call this same son of god a servant of god. You suppose there is a superseding contradiction in the very next verse. Imagine you are reading monotheist text and...

LOL I just referenced a verse where he referred to his God 4 times. What does that tell you, other than he is not God?

No. The real passion for the trinity is the man-is-god thesis. You have merely moved the goal posts to a bi-une God that is completely lacking a verse like above. Jesus is NOT God. The demonstrable evidence of this fact is that Jesus died.

Well, your sentence is barely readable to me. Let me say it simply. I have doubt, uncertainty. Somewhat hostile for you to come back with me being dead wrong. We can delve into why I have doubt if you think it would be fruitful.

Talk about a distraction. Despite your apparent hostility, we seem to be more on the same page than not. Not refusing. Just wanted to establish the context. Not sure why it matters who Jesus is referring to since Jesus is NOT God? ‘The one’ being God’s Anointed, God’s agent. 14:7, through...

No you don’t. You don’t care at all about the explicit word of God as the following shows. QUOTE="RLT63, post: 1445399, member: 18983"]But they are not mutually exclusive The contempt for the explicit word of God is shocking. GOD: You shall not murder. YOU: they are not mutually exclusive...

Believing it is the key to salvation, along with one other thing. Romans 10:9 says believing God - in his unitarian nature - raised Jesus from the dead. Not "the Father" but God - in his unitarian nature - raised Jesus from the dead is the condition of salvation. Powerful stuff. if you confess...

What do you know about proof by contradiction and mutual exclusiveness? Who is it that overcomes the world except the one who believes that Jesus is the Son of God? 1 John 5:5 It does not say salvation is by believing Jesus is God but believing Jesus is the son of God. I believe that Jesus is...

Hey, I can be right - that Jesus is not God - for many a reasons. :p

Except those that agree with you, right? :p

Totally delusional. Please cite the verse that reads something like The nature of God is a trinity - consisting of the Father, Son & Holy Spirit who are co-equal, co-substantial and co-eternal - and if you do not believe this, you cannot be saved but are damned to hell forever. Then, I'll concede.